- cross-posted to:
- antitrumpalliance@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- antitrumpalliance@lemmy.world
The president has been going after his presumptive 2024 opponent with a little more venom than usual
Joe Biden is taking it to Donald Trump.
The president’s campaign responded to Trump’s wild press conference in New York on Monday by slamming the former president as “weak and desperate — both as a man and a candidate for President.”
“He spent the weekend golfing, the morning comparing himself to Jesus, and the afternoon lying about having money he definitely doesn’t have,” the statement read, adding that “America deserves better than a feeble, confused, and tired Donald Trump.”
Cut the both-sides shit. Trump is a convicted sex criminal and fraud who wants to end democracy. There is objectively a better choice between the two.
the only valid both sides is they are both way too old for the job. 1 old guy will give you the chance to vote for someone else in 4 years, the other will not. 1 guy has a record, tho spotty, looking out for your middle class, the other …
One guy isn’t good enough and the other guy is hard to adequately express how bad he is
What is it with all the people who can’t understand that better doesn’t mean good?
Biden is good, he’s just not great. To get someone better you need democracy and there’s a high chance we will lose that under Trump.
The comment seems more intended to push voters away from Biden and toward an RFK option than convincing anyone to vote for Trump. It’s stupid and easy to attack back, but we also need to be careful about what the strategy is.
It’s just someone disillusioned by America’s bullshit Imo.
This is the problem when there is no nuance to discussion or understanding. Everyone should vote for Biden—that doesn’t mean it’s great that we have two octogenarians duking it out in a “no YOURE more senile!” fight. And that’s before you get into the whole, y’know, participating in genocide thing.
Biden is a terrible choice to have to make…but we all have to make it.
I think if those are your choices, you don’t deserve to be a country.
If you ever find yourself supporting genocide in order to “save yourselves” from a worse candidate, you should stop and look at the system you’re choosing to engage with.
Sometimes the system needs to be rebuilt.
The country is genocidal. The money behind and propping up the country are genocidal. The massive machinery that is favors, power, exploitation, state violence, and spying IS modern life under capitalism. Voting won’t change that.
But. It will change how trans people are treated, how vicious we are to the poor, how destructive we are of what little environment we have left, how much we wield that unbelievable power and might to punish…whoever.
Yeah, it’s a shitty decision. None of us are happy about it. None of us want this. But there is a worse option. Things aren’t so straightforward. Modern life means every dollar/euro/peso/whatever you spend is hurting someone for profit. “If those are your choices, you don’t deserve to be a person.” There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. There is no ethical vote to cast in a superpower. There is no ethical action in modern life because the system that put that option in front of you is built on exploitation. What’s the answer? Kill yourself? Think.
I don’t know the answer. Nobody does. It’s a personal question. I’m glad you’re asking yourself and thinking about it. That’s my goal.
This is something anyone with self awareness has been wrestling with our whole lives. The problem is the debate is bogged down by factionalism and thus the death of nuance. The answer is always “team ____!” Anything straying from that, like questioning the role in geopolitics or capitalism/neoliberalism, is seen as “being for the other side.” Which is so. Incredibly. Insane.
And that void is taken up by “well then don’t vote” people. And that…can’t be the answer either when vulnerable populations hang in the balance. It really is a no-win situation.
And that is because you’re either submitting to an oppressive, unfair, unjust system, or you’re holding your own “purity” of being above it up as more important than the people who’d be hurt by the more harmful option if you don’t sacrifice that “purity” for people others’ well-being.
Modern life does not lend itself to simple answers without caveats and sacrifices and, unfortunately, siding with people you really don’t agree with. But being “above it” only to be able to say you’re above it is so incredibly selfish and a decision that only people privileged enough to not be oppressed or have their existence be up for debate can make. You’re either the manipulated or the oppressed. The trick is to be as aware and informed as possible, weigh the ramifications of any and all decisions—as well as the entire cascading flowchart of repurcussions from any and all decisions—and do the best you can. Casting stones at people trying to navigate this supremely unjust and undesirable position doesn’t make any sense. We are all trying to do what we think is best for the most people—those of us that care enough to think of others. Every decision is going to come with a slate of distasteful knock-on effects. That’s just the bitter pill of modern life.
Sure.
Hopefully we burn ourselves out before we spread to other planets. We’ve done enough here.
No. You’re not here to have a discussion and make people ‘think’ about anything. You’re here to insert enough Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt into the process to corrupt it to your ends. You’re here to exploit our disdain for the fact that we can’t seem to get a better choice than what we have right now to steer us in the direction of the tyrannical Mussolini-quoting, Hitler-worshipping wannabe tinpot dictator. You and all your other friends who are pushing this nonsense that Biden is somehow as bad as or even worse than Trump, bringing up his very frankly 20th Century approach to the problems of Israel as some indication that he’s a monster that makes Trump look heroic in an attempt to steer us to wasting our votes on a third party that has no chance in hell of getting more votes than Trump if you can’t get us to vote for Trump outright to ‘tear down the system’. And some of us are calling you and yours out on this…
Great. Trump is an objectively worse candidate, and Biden is doing a genocide. If your lesser of 2 evils is genocide and climate apocalypse, I think it’s about time your country falls. Good luck with everything 👍
Trump isnt a convicted sex criminal… and the other guy has some serious sexual allegations too, outside of being creepy around kids
He was found liable for sexual abuse in NY civil court and fined $5 million for it.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/09/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-lawsuit-battery-defamation-verdict/index.html
The judge made it very clear Trump is a rapist, saying:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
Biden has never been charged in civil or criminal court for any sexual impropriety. It is simply a lie that there are any serious sexual allegations against him.
He was not convicted of rape.
And if you compare what biden allegedly did to what trump allegedly did, Bidens accusation seems much more accurate. It actually had colloborating evidence at the time, vs no evidence against trump.
The judge in the case said Trump was convicted of rape. There are no credible accusations against Biden. You are repeating lies.
Please tell me one of the juror names in the trump rape conviction.
Why dont you believe women when they claim they are raped?
The jurors are anonymous as is common in trials where the defendant has a history of calling for violence against people he views as his enemies.
I believe women who take their rapists to court.
Jurors are allowed to disclose if they were on a case. So you are saying that there was a case he was convicted in by a jury?
Gotcha, so women that are too embarrassed, or dont want the public scrutiny are just liars then? Really?!?
Funny how you understand that rape victims might not want public scrutiny, but you don’t understand jurors from a high profile case might want the same.
Also funny how Tara Reade only accused Biden while he was running against Trump and then moved to Russia to do interviews with a known Russian spy. She told no one it happened at the time (1993) and there is no evidence of any complaints. Not all women are liars but Reade absolutely is.
Are you wanting to compare the two rape cases?
No thank you. I don’t like to engage too much with people who can’t be bothered to proof-read their own posts.
Nor do I enjoy discussions with people who are so assured of their own self-righteousness that they ignore documented facts in lieu of their own personal opinions.
It just so happens that I also don’t much enjoy arguing with people who have a documented public history of arguing in bad faith.
Oh yeah, i am totally the one ignoring facts…
Well, at least you acknowledge it. That’s a start. You’re more self-aware than the bulk of the ‘righteous crusaders of truth™’ that I’ve encountered.
Just for fun, because I’m bored, what facts have I ignored so far in our conversation? Remember, I’m @LengAwaits. Don’t get me confused with the other people you’ve been talking to. I’m a different person who hasn’t weighed in on any of your supposed “facts” so far. I’m not here to argue about popular political figures. I’m only here to call out glaring biases and bad faith arguments. Surely you’ll engage with me on a more intellectual level than what you’ve so far managed to muster?
It’s not both-sides to say that Genocide Joe sucks ass. Yes, Trump is worse. But Biden is still awful. I don’t say that in some effort to appease the right or sound somehow neutral, I say it because it’s true.
Nah, you say it to sap unity and make people stay home from voting.
Your vibe is the same as the girls who say they bluntly “tell it as they see it” in their dating profile, but anyone with any relationship experience knows that means they’re completely willing to make things toxic as fuck because they’ll just vomit their selfish so called truth anywhere without caring about consequences or how it destroys, because it serves some sort of other motivation for them.
Using words to encourage people to embrace hopelessness and not vote is a propaganda technique to put Trump back in the Whitehouse, and him being there weakens the nation so immensely and catastrophically that it’s extremely attractive to cash and weapons poor enemies to plop someone in front of a cheap computer to spread propaganda to attempt to destroy a nation from within. People who can’t fight the US with military might will use words instead.
In short, your words are not neutral. You’re either what is called a useful idiot, an ordinary person who swallowed outside propaganda whole and does the work of other interests here, or you’re a knowing perpetrator.
I hope people here use whatever skills they picked up in English class however many years ago to think about not just the exact words of the poster I’m responding to, but why they posted this thing at this moment, their motivations beyond what they claim they are, and the effects of an appeal to truth on a reader and how that can influence perception even when the thing said isn’t actually necessarily true or contains such a small flake of some truth that it is effectively turns into a lie when put beside the bigger and more vast and complicated truths.
People shouldn’t stay home on election day just because Biden is a terrible piece of shit. People should go at the very least to vote down ballot, if not to vote against Trump. Nor should people feel hopeless. There are so many avenues to pursue outside of simple electoral politics (again, do vote). But I’m not going to cave to this loyalty test bullshit. Also the money is good, praise Mother Russia.
Yes. That is literally what I said.
Look, I agree that “telling it like it is” can be a toxic trait (although as long as we’re discussing the subtext, it’s interesting that you used the example of “girls”. I’m sure you didn’t mean to, I’m not leveling accusations at you, we all do this to some degree or another, but that is definitely an appeal to misogyny. You could have compared me to Bill Maher, which frankly would have pissed me off a whole lot more). But the truth does matter, and appeals to nuance/arguing procedural or rhetorical points while ignoring the realities is also toxic. Children in Gaza are dying, and Biden has actively helped with that. Call it propaganda, call it whatever you want, but innocent people are dead, as a result of a genocidal campaign helped by Biden.
Yeah! Everyone rally around genocide Joe! It’s not like he’s been paid more than any other US politician by pro Israel groups!
Helps you understand why he’s so enthusiastic about delivering the weapons though.
Those stats go back 35 years. He’s maybe the only person that’s been in office that long, of course he’s going to accumulate the most.
That’s not really a knock against his statement. That he has gotten a lot from Israel for a long time, and so may feel beholden to them.
I am also getting absolute sick of all of the people who are jumping down the throats of people who express weariness at Joe Biden being the democratic nominee. Like ffs, he is in no way representing my interests and is another step tword the right. It may be slower then the full on sprint of the Republican Party, but my ONLY input into this process is my vote. In the primaries i sure as shit did not vote for joe, and anyone refusing to vote because of the bull shit he’s pulled is justified.
Instead of blaming the disenfranchised you and the Democrats should find a better politician and better politics
LOL. Straight up apologism, nice.
LOL. Straight up misrepresentation of facts, nice.
Support colonial genocide more, I’m sure it will age like fine wine!
What’s our other choice? More genocide and Ukraine falling as well.
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This just in, disapproving of others distorting facts means you support a genocide.
You guys will really shoehorn that in anywhere, huh?
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It came from him aiding a genocide.
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there is no proof for this. it doesn’t even make sense. trump loves the Israel genocide
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/a_stopped_clock_is_right_twice_a_day#English
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/actions-speak-louder-than-words
LOL Trump is telling Israel to hurry up (aka genocide harder). The nickname isn’t really appropriate for Biden given the global context.
I was about to say - Biden is at least saying “you need to fucking chill”, Trump literally just said he’d be calling for Israel to “finish the job”.
That being said, am I tired of having to make this sort of shitty-ass choice every four years? Yes. However, ESPECIALLY this election cycle, we don’t have anyone better on the ticket.
RFK? He’s basically a mouthpiece for the conspiracy-right, just not quite as loud as Trump. He’s got some decent ideas buried deep under the midden-heap that is his anti-vaccine rambling, but anyone who says that Texas’ whole “we’re gonna fucking kill every immigrant who steps foot on our soil” idea was justified the way he has doesn’t deserve the office, as well as his want to take the US back to what is effectively isolationism.
Stein is way too comfortable with anti-science positions, almost total opposition to war and military aid, and her opposition to nuclear power is maddening paired with her statements about how every nuclear plant is a bomb waiting to explode.
Well it is appropriate, because Biden is enthusiastically aiding a genocide, right this second
“no matter who wins, America loses”
That sounds like both-sides to me. Biden has done some objectively great things for Americans even with a senate fighting him for the first 2 years and a Congress for the last 2
I can definitely point to more good things Biden has done in his term than Trump did in his. Plus there’s the mountain of Trump’s crimes to compare with the non-mountain of non-crimes on Biden’s side. Of course, I’m not a fan of Biden’s authoritarian tendencies, but again Trump is far worse in that area.
Ah yes, someone who enables genocide by continuing existing funding practices is totally deserving of that specific nickname while the other guy who has repeatedly said he would literally do what Israel is doing and that Israel should ‘finish the job’ doesn’t get a pithy nickname.
The cosplayers will always write “Genocide Joe” and will always fail to note that Donald is intentionally referencing the “Final Solution” from the Nazis.
I don’t know what you’re on about… They’re obviously and completely unbiased, and anyone who says otherwise will also get a pithy nickname
/s for anyone who needed it
Ah so you stoop to name calling to give your argument credence.