• hark@lemmy.world
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    The machine didn’t do anything. They built a targeting “AI” that is trained on bullshit data, which likely doesn’t distinguish between Hamas targets and civilians, but it’s ultimately these genocidal bastards who decide when to kill and they choose to do so far more often than not. They’re throwing the “AI” buzzword in to add a layer of abstraction between themselves and the genocide they’re perpetrating.

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      And knowing some Israelis, people to say this know full well what they are doing, just think everybody else is either a bastard or an idiot.

      It’s a real cultural problem, they have a very simplistic society in terms of discussing politics and morality, seems like some small town, only it’s a country of 8 million.

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    Human life dictated by a machine on who to kill. You need to be so fucking cold and evil to be okay with this.

    Not only is it heinous it’s also obvious this is just a testing ground for it. Think about it, a testing ground that the test is how many you can kill using AI. We need an amendment to the Geneva convention

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      4 months ago

      Even if you got US and Israel to sign it, Russia, China and The Saudis would never.

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          I actually have no idea who sold what in this case and it’s actually not even remotely relevant since the discussion was about updating the Geneva convention and who wouldn’t sign.

          However, you seem to imply that Israel lacks the knowledge and resources to create the Lavender system themselves. Intriguing! Please elaborate with some links supporting your claims.

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            4 months ago

            Nah mate, I’m quietly suggesting that the US arms Israel to the teeth to preserve US interests, influence, and economic strength. They ain’t going to do anything that rocks that boat.

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    Ai is trained on input data, and if their input data is on past idf strikes then it’s no fucking wonder they’ve killed so many journalists.

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        Right so because they aren’t obvious in a crowd it’s better to murder the whole crowd? Are kids Hamas? Cuz there’s a whole lot of murdered kids on Israel’s hands.

        Sound logic my guy

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          Maybe not, but why people ask only to Israel to respect internations laws and the Geneva convention ? The Geneva convention has a series of stipulations and one of them said explicitly that if you don’t respect it for your enemy you loose the right to invoke it for yourself.

          So, Hamas openly ignore any international law and openly admitted it (Hamas leaders said that they use their civilians as shields to the scope to have everyone pressure Israel) but somehow Israel is the bad guy.

          Man, I don’t like it, I think it is very sad and nasty, but the more time pass the more I am thinking that all this is the application of the “they fucked around then they found out” applied to the Gazan civilians. Israel left Gaza years ago (10 ? 15?), they had the possibility to elect their government and they choose Hamas, which has in its constitution to destroy Israel, they let Hamas to steal all the international aids. Now they are in the situation to be used as human shield by the same people they elected. Maybe it they wanted to live in peace, they should have choose more wisely…

          BTW, I am old enough to remember Palestinian women and children to celebrate the attack on the twin towers back in 2001, so maybe they are not really as innocent as they want to be seen from the others.

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            If you want people to follow sophistics instead of what they see, then at least those should be consistent.

            They didn’t choose Hamas, not in any legitimate election. The “they let” part you could also apply to them letting Israel bomb them.

            Ultimately they are victims of the Israeli state which blockaded Gaza, killed its inhabitants when it saw fit and at the same time pretends than anything in response to that can be unjust.

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            Probably standards have changed within generations. Now, we’re at a point where younger people feel free to criticize their own military. There are people who hates US military back when Iraq War was a thing that has a beef with IDF. It’s more sympathy toward people that did not sign up for combat, and acknowledging that engagement should ever be between combatants. Older people simply don’t understand that yet.

            • gian @lemmy.grys.it
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              True, but Guerrilla Warfare tactic has its consequences. You use it, you need to be ready to pay the cost.

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        You’ll soon see that nuance is dead on Lemmy. Hamas indubitably commits war crimes en masse, as does the IDF, but morons will only ever excuse those of Hamas, rather than condemning both sets of actions.

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          I think nuance goes out the door when tens of thousands of innocent civilians are butchered in the name of defense. Hamas is bad, that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions.

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            I don’t agree. Neither the IDF nor Hamas fall under Geneva Convention (GC) protections because both have brazenly and repeatedly contravened it, thus excluding themselves under the GC’s own stipulations. They are both doing sick shit and are both lending more fuel to each other’s propaganda fires.

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              Oh so human rights just end when some armed folks feel like and that’s all fine and dandy?

              And why ought Palestinian civilians be subjected to the disregard of human rights that the IDF and even Hamas have? Sounds like you are thinking of the Palestinian people as interchangeable with Hamas, such as the people may be punished by their acts and they can’t complain about it.

              You speak of nuance but if anything you are erasing nuance. “Both sides bad so it’s all fair”. Nevermind relative civilian death tolls, infrastructure and household damage. Nevermind the whole history of this conflict going back decades.

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                Absolutely not, but when you insist on putting words in my mouth and then arguing with that straw man, there is little use in arguing. You are here to hold forth, not discuss.

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    The purpose of a system is what it does

    According to the cybernetician, the purpose of a system is what it does. This is a basic dictum. It stands for bald fact, which makes a better starting point in seeking understanding than the familiar attributions of good intention, prejudices about expectations, moral judgment, or sheer ignorance of circumstances.

    The AI is “supposed” to identify targets, but in reality, the system’s purpose is to justify indiscriminate murder.

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    4 months ago

    Woo hoo, Weapons of Math Destruction meet Weapons of Mass Destruction. (good book by the way)

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    It sounds sinister until you remember that Hamas wipes it’s ass with the Geneva convention and regularly disguises fighters as civilians.

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    Being a terrorist should be incredibly dangerous. Terrorists shouldn’t feel safe anywhere, especially not at home. No sympathy from me.

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        Not that Hamas is doing a great job to separate itself from their own civilans.

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          So a terrorist organization hiding among the population makes carpet bombing the city and committing Genocide acceptable?

          Israel has been under attack for 50+ years and its citizens attack constantly. They had the moral high ground of saints.

          But since October they have gone full Nazi on the Palestinians. They are trying to wipe Gaza down to the bed rock and EVERY human in it.

          I don’t believe one justifies the other.

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            I don’t believe one justifies the other.

            Me neither. On the other hand I see what it is happening as the only possible consequence of what Hamas and the population choose to do.

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      The vast majority killed aren’t terrorists. Just yesterday, Israel killed seven World Kitchen humanitarian aid workers in their World Kitchen labeled cars that were authorized by Israel to be there. Three cars, targeted one after another, all bombed. The tops of the cars had the logo so they wouldn’t be bombed.

      The IDF is a terrorist organization

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      This is pure insanity, but at least I can see the kind of insane thinking that allowed Germans to live their comfortable lives just a few kilometers away from concentration camps. When you say “Hamas is from Palestine, therefore Palestine is a target” and you manage to convince yourself that infant civilians are an acceptable casualty then you are no better.

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      Israel is a terrorist state, allied to Azerbaijan, a terrorist state, both openly engaging in terrorist activities. Yet their soldiers and other state agents feel themselves very safe.

      Considering that, what Hamas did was horrible, but no Israeli has the right to complain. If Israelis want to have human rights, they shouldn’t be complicit and approving of genocide.

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      Agreed. Israeli “Defence” Forces soldiers should not feel safe anywhere, hence the endless resistance from Palestinians.