Not only that, but giving them homes is going to be one first and essential step in ending the relentless mental pressure and misery that keeps them on drugs in the first place.
Hating to see needles on the street, or people shitting on the sidewalk, should be coupled with absolute passionate full throated support for UBI and “housing first.” If you hate both of them then you make no sense.
most homeless people aren’t alcoholics or drug addicts, btw…
but, yep… most of the time, you’re spending all of your energy on meeting the lowest tier of maslow’s hierarchy… by the time you get some of that, there’s not much left in you to go and “get a job”
which, btw, most jobs very much will not be hiring homeless people, in particular…not to mention just grooming, showering, and bathing to get that job is pretty hard to come by, in most hostile designed cities…
And there are a lot of homeless people who have jobs, but they don’t make enough to actually live on. I met a woman who wanted to know if we knew of anywhere she could get a small towable trailer because she worked full time as a CNA but rent is so high that she was living in her car. She’d found a place that would let her park a trailer so she could at least have a bed, but didn’t have one. This woman was basically the primary caregiver for a ton of people, and had to live in her fucking car. Housing in this country is fucked pretty much every way it can be, as are wages.
And that’s why a “shelter” isn’t enough. Heating, water and electricity should be covered as well, as long as necessary.
And internet. People don’t think internet is essential because it’s new, and those people have been paying no attention to how quickly the world is moving. If covid vaccines can become a human right in the span of a year (and they are), then internet can become a human right in the span of 50 years. It’s a necessity to getting a job, it’s a necessity to claiming unemployment, it’s a human right.
National Conservatives: Ok I concede that housing is not a right. Next question?
WhY sHoUlD I use MY TaX DoLlArS tO pAy FoR pEoPlE wHo ArE TOO LAZY tO wOrK
This is also their argument against universal healthcare which I find astonishing.
I’m for available free housing and a Universal Basic Income, not even so I can quit working. I want it so I can quit working with people who won’t pull their weight. If I’m going to carry your sorry ass anyway, let me do it in a way that saves me having to interact with you. It could probably all be paid for by the amount my country’s military misplaces every year, too.
Huh, I never thought of it from this perspective.
It does rely on those people being aware that they’re not pulling their weight though. I’ve also worked with people who accomplished very little but thought they were the most productive ever and gods gift to the business
Ironically my argument for both housing and healthcare is 'why spend more of my taxes denying (healthcare or homes) when they could more cheaply provide"
Policing the homeless is expensive. Government protections required for American health cartels cost a fortune. It’s amazing that the less human option is also the less economically sensible. What an amazing scam.
The larger argument is providing homes for unhoused criminals. It’s much more difficult for people to get steady work in the US with a criminal record, resulting in frequent unemployment and homelessness. Normalize the concept of rehabilitation. Consider your own past before defining someone else by theirs.
wtf, why is this a graphical image instead of actual text? It’s like saying fuck the blind users and fuck those who are on measured rate internet connections. Lemmy is broken. Curl -LI falsely gives a content length of zero, so we must decide whether to download an image without knowing its size. Really fucking sucks when it’s a graphic of just text.
It’s because social media mobile apps are hostile to the copy paste function
Because browsers don’t offer to save selected text when you right-click or long-press it. You are left with screenshot.
Even from a completely selfish perspective, if someone is going to do drugs, I prefer them to do them within four walls than in front of me.
I think autocorrect turned „within“ to “without” in your comment?
It wasn’t autocorrect but my lack of caffeine. Thanks for calling it out tho lol
And the time will come when you see we’re all homeless
Doing drugs within walls and without walls
95% agree, the only sticking point is what we each might consider “unconditional”. You wreck the home I gave you and I’ll maybe give you one more and then too bad. Violence or sexual assault and we can give you a different home with bars.
Yeah this is the main problem. Might just mean the homes need to be more barebones and strongly constructed(soviet blocks?) so that if they start filling it with furniture its their furniture and they might be less likely to break it.
The ones that fuck up any place you put them in will fuck up every place they’re allowed to. Some people are just too mentally ill and should be institutionalized for the betterment of everyone.
I get the feeling most people in this thread don’t care about that though. They just don’t want people on the street where they have to see them. There’s a lot of out of sight, out of mind thinking going on here.
Gee, don’t those sound like conditions to avoid being homeless?
For the record I don’t inherently have issues with having conditions for people to be allowed to exist in our society I’m just saying that these 2 comments are exactly what the post is talking about
To be clear, im not suggesting unhousing them because they wreak the place. What i am suggesting is giving them a roof to sleep under and some basic facilities. All of which are designed to be prettymuch bulletproof to abuse, so we dont just spend money giving homeless people inhospitible conditions to live in.
One of the sibling comments talked about giving them mental health help as well which i think is a great idea.
And vastly cheaper than housing them in prison.
If anything, prison is kind of confirmation that there is a universal right to shelter and food. To put people in a prison which was not sheltered and to not feed them proper meals would be cruel and unusual punishment, but to homeless people its fine?
How is anyone meant to rehabilitate and integrate back into society when they are struggling to find their next meal and are not sure where they will sleep that night? Not to mention the hurdles they have to jump just to get assistance.
I can’t believe I’ve never thought of it this way, nor has anyone ever said this in my presence. Literally the best argument for universal housing ever. Thank you.
