Right now, Sony has yet to update the Steam listing to remove the PSN account requirement or the region lock out. Don’t update your reviews to positive yet. Talk is cheap and all Sony has actually done it put out a statement to appease fans and stop the damage.
Or better yet, never update your review because fuck them.
Game theory says to always reciprocate in kind and always enable kindness.
They punch you, punch back, then be friends
That being said, I question how that applies in this context. Corporate leadership doesn’t exactly strike me as trustworthy nor worthy of mercy, although that could be a lean toward cynicism on my part.
If we don’t change reviews back then they have no reason to keep their word. Lose lose
We do change reviews back they have good reviews and need to keep their word to ensure this doesn’t happen again. Win win
We change reviews back they lie, we just change ours back to negative again and go about our days. Lose lose
You’ve got that backwards.
They’ve been convicted in the court of public opinion. This reversal doesn’t make them innocent of their crimes, but it does justify reducing the sentence to parole.
The black mark stays on their record, but they have the opportunity to start rebuilding trust. If they want good reviews on future titles they need to avoid squandering the chance to prove they deserve them.
We’re dealing with a faceless corporation here, not a reasonable person.
That isn’t a universal conclusion…it applies to multi trial prisoners dilemma. This isn’t that.
It applies everywhere, the whole movie a beautiful mind is based around game theory.
The scene where they cooperate means someone goes home with the girl but if they fight no one does etc.
Seriously look it up, it applies everywhere.
Here I did the hard work now you just watch and pay attention.
Omg, yes, game theory applies everywhere. No, the correct strategy isn’t universally “reciprocate in kind and always enable kindness”. There is no universal game with a universally correct solution.
That’s why it’s still just a theory.
Edit: /s was just a joke because it’s got theory in the name.
“A theory is a carefully thought-out explanation for observations of the natural world that has been constructed using the scientific method, and which brings together many facts and hypotheses”
Another explanation is here,
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/what-is-a-theory
Theory doesn’t mean what you think it means in the context of “Game Theory”
It was a joke.
So is gravity. Outside colloquial usage, a Theory is well-substantiated with empirical evidence. Game Theory is one of those.
Was just poking fun.
Found the shill
Can you please contribute more to your Lemmy conversations than going around calling people shills and other things? Thank you.
Found another shill!
Yes, I AM a shill. A shill for meaningful, productive conversation on Lemmy. We don’t all have to agree for that to happen. I’ll point out that @Woozythebear@lemmy.world’s comment quality is far better when they put some thought into it. I would suggest the same to you.
Genuinely don’t know why Aussiemandeus would capitulate to a horrible company when they haven’t even delivered on their promise yet.
But please keep defending the corpos ;)
I get called a bot and tons of other things all over Lemmy. So no, I’ll say what I want to say.
Silence, Bot!
It’s still a good game, and Arrowhead is trying to do right.
They had their chance, they failed, there’s thousands of devs doing better but you guys are too busy kissing their feet to see you’re being played for fools.
Think of it like this: Arrowhead, the developers, spent almost 8 years developing the game, getting funding throughout from Sony, which managed the publishing side of things so they could focus on game development.
Then, around 6 months before release, over 7 years of development up to that point, Sony wanted PSN to be required for the game, and clearly by release time, that was not enough time to even implement or test that well enough.
Their hands were tied years in advance, they couldn’t just let almost 8 years of their development time go to waste over one decision by their publisher, nor could they reasonably go against the publisher or get a new publisher only about 6 months before release.
On their end, they didn’t do anything particularly wrong, unless they could see the future over 7 years before and realize Sony was going to practically pull the rug out from under them with everything in Sony’s favor, a decision only actually made far more recently.
Yeah they released the game to markets where PSN isn’t available
Womp womp
No pity from me.
Want a protest like this to work next time?
Oh, I don’t know, what do you think will teach them a lesson between losing sales for a few days or losing sales long term? 🤔
The financial impact will have been minimal and that’s what’s important to them, they were expecting to make X$ from this game this year, now Sony will have lost a week’s profit from few players because people are jumping back in when they could have made Sony lose years of profit from a lot of players by leaving negative reviews and by not playing or paying for currencies anymore.
It’s corporations we’re dealing with, not people, we don’t owe them anything, especially not pardon.
Wanna see how much they learned their lesson?
You linked a different game which we seem to know will require PSN before it’s sold.
So don’t buy games which require PSN?
If people don’t buy it and tell Sony it’s because of the PSN requirement, it will reinforce the point made during the Helldivers debacle.
Helldivers 2 required PSN from the moment it became available, it was just put on hold while the servers were catching up to the demand.
As I said, they didn’t learn a thing and will learn even less if people just go back to rewarding them with money because they put PSN implementation on hold for a single game.
So the product was going to be changed to match what was advertised as a requirement?
What was everyone mad about?
The game was made available in countries where PSN isn’t available and people don’t read requirements because they assume that if it’s available to them then they just need to have a PC that can run it and PC players hate having to use a bunch of services to play their games.
If the consequences are definitive, we are less likely to see this again. If the consequences can be reverted, we are more likely to get out of these situations again. Both methods work
This a thousand times.
I’ll change my review after the 30th when we were supposed to have signed up for the PSN or when they change the store page and not before.
I’ll change my review once my country is no longer region locked on steam… And not a moment before
It’s important that people who gave a negative review over PSN go back and change their review now. If the community shows that review scores will go back to positive after getting what we want, it will make other companies in the future more willing to give up unpopular decisions.
Also the devs deserve a good review score from what I’ve seen, this wasn’t really their fault and I wouldn’t want them to suffer any more for it.
I agree with you except for the fact that Sony has yet to change the region lock out or remove the PSN account requirement on the Steam store listing. Talk is cheap and that’s all Sony has done so far.
Quick reversal shows that community is proactive in recognizing good and bad actions, so that even if reviews flip to good again it can quickly become negative. So I don’t think there is a need to hold off on changing reviews back to positive. Showing that the community is actively engaged is good to demonstrate.
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I’m not saying they should be rewarded but the penalty should be removed. I’m not saying people should go give it a positive review if they didn’t already have one, I do think the negative reviews should at least be removed. If Sony reneges then there will obviously be a huge backlash again and “we ain’t gon get fooled again”.
That’s a valid point.
No, it will make companies realize there’s no true consequence to acting like idiots
It’s important that there’s a benefit to them giving up something they wanted. If the reviews don’t get better after they gave up forcing PSN, then Sony would have been better off keeping the requirement. Other companies would look at this situation, and think that once Sony made the initial mistake, they would have been better off doubling down instead of backing off.
You’re wanting this to be an example of “don’t make stupid corporate decisions or you’ll get punished”, but that I’m very confident that companies will still make stupid decisions because they’re so out of touch they don’t realize their ideas are stupid. Instead it’s easier to get good results with situations like this if companies see that there’s a way out: to do what the people want and get their review score back.
A business treats me like shit they don’t get my business anymore, they can come begging all they want, it’s their fucking job to please their customers and they failed at it. I feel like you guys are just a bunch of Sony bots spamming the place all of the sudden.
Certainly does read like that. The only way to show shitty choices have consequences is to keep the bad reviews up.
Fuck you I’m keeping my negative review to spite you dumb fucks for demanding I change it.
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“Mixed”. Dang. Wow. That’s quite a fall from grace.
It’s a step up from the Overwhelmingly Negative they had the other day
Too bad with how the devs lied and told me people who complained to leave. They only acted like the are on the side of the players after the shit storm got too big. My bad review stays
They used their customers to fight their publisher. It worked out this time. Good on them, if you ask me. Game studios get messed about far too often.
Still lied
They put out a single statement with no action, and everyone online instantly went “WE WON IT’S TIME TO CHANGE BACK TO POSITIVE!” and then a lot of cringy RP about democracy.
It feels incredibly artificial.
My bad review stays. I don’t trust Sony to keep their word.
I’ll be changing mine back to positive next time I’m at my pc for sure
So far, all that’s out there is words. All the limitations on the game on Steam are still in place. I’d wait until that’s removed to change anything.
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Democracy works! You voted and they listened!
They haven’t done shit yet. Don’t change your review until it actually happens.
Pretty sure this is a Helldivers lorebased dig.
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