Nobody would give two shits if that was the problem. The problem is that their behavior endangers the safety of others and the integrity of society.
I don’t just mean people who cannot be vaccinated. Without vaccines, lockdowns like the ones during the covid pandemic would be in effect pretty much all the time. We have functioning vaccines against diseases that are much worse than covid. We got lucky in 2020.
People like to bitch and moan about the inconveniences endured during covid and would use terms like “doom sayers” to insult people who promoted lockdowns and vaccines. Under the guise of “it wasn’t that bad”.
Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Without lockdowns and vaccines it would’ve been ten times worse. We actually got relatively scot-free. Huge swaths of the developing world endured millions of deaths.
Anyone with more than two brain cells to run together, who learns about the “Spanish Flu” of 1918-1920, should immediately say “I’m getting vaccinated, I’m wearing a mask and I’m self isolating”. 50 million people died. 50 million! We got lucky with COVID because so many people unselfishly did those things.
I was tracking the pandemic and the mortality rate among patients who had to be hospitalized during the initial strain was over 5% at times! People really don’t get how lucky we are that the omicron and subsequent variants has lower mortality. Imagining even 10 or 15% would completely collapse our medical system altogether.
Society before vaccines didn’t have lockdowns all the time, the mortality was higher because you died of disease now almost forgotten. During epidemics a lot of things still had to get done, the corpses didn’t remove themselves, people still needed food, water and their shit carried off.
I’m not sure many people against vaccines these days have met anyone who got the diseases everyone is vaccinated for nowadays. Polio as a child? You survived? Great, you’ll have a limp and bad joints your whole life…
It did indeed have lockdowns! Public Health quarantines have a history that is thousands of years old. Polio would close public pools regularly when my parents were children.
Closing a pool and the 2020 insanity in some countries where you weren’t even allowed to walk your dog without self-certifying your outing as legal under the pseudo-curfew are very different, which is more what I meant by lockdowns since that’s what the contemporary meaning seems to be.
Quarantines in case of known infections are very different from shutting down arbitrary sectors of an economy because politicians said so, they don’t even compare to lockdowns in scope.
Did you even read some of the quarantines? There are several instances of them quarantining entire countries, no boats in or out. There’s instances of towns being isolated, etc.
Lastly, your first sentence is absolutely baffling. We KNEW COVID was everywhere, wtf are you even talking about? At its height, the US alone was having around 200,000+ confirmed cases a day. You are vastly underplaying how close our medical system came to collapsing in huge swathes of the country. There’s absolutely a reason why there’s a global shortage of doctors and nurses right now, the burnout during the pandemic was absolutely unreal for medical workers.
The kneejerk complete shutdown at the beginning was a tad overkill in some places, but that was because of so many unknown variables. The initial strains were absolutely more deadly, so why risk it? However, I don’t remember anywhere in the US going to extremes of making it so you couldn’t even walk outside. Now, places like China absolutely went way overkill with literally forcibly boarding people into buildings.
I don’t live in the US. France and Italy had policies closer to Chinese ones, but not as stringent, you had fines in some places if you were unlucky, on paper though you weren’t supposed to be outside much if at all.
Everyone knew COVID was everywhere and yet from one week to the next the French government changed its tune completely, and conflicting information, empty promises and moving goalposts were the norm 2020-2022.
I never stopped working because I had an “essential” job. At first we weren’t provided masks then a few weeks later we would get punished if we didn’t wear them, we were told to keep a distance working manual jobs in teams, and there were zero scientific references for most decisions being taken. It was a giant circus.
Because going out on the street was going to make the spread of a respiratory virus much worse than being forced to stay home most of the time? Places with stricter policies didn’t have better adherence to the rules anyway, Swedish people were never forced to stay home and more did than in Italy or France.
While the global scale of the covid lockdown was indeed unprecedented, quarantining and curfews were indeed used during the Spanish flu, bubonic plague and other widespread diseases. Back then, that was sufficient because population density was lower and the world was much less connected in general. Nobody went on a 2-week holiday trip to Bali during the bubonic plague, or huddled up in huge skyscraper office buildings for work, so the spreading of the disease was already slower.
Some years before covid (I think it was in 2012 or 2013), we got dangerously close to an ebola pandemic. That would have been fun, I imagine, I love bleeding out of all orifices and dying, my favorite past-time.
Nobody would give two shits if that was the problem. The problem is that their behavior endangers the safety of others and the integrity of society.
I don’t just mean people who cannot be vaccinated. Without vaccines, lockdowns like the ones during the covid pandemic would be in effect pretty much all the time. We have functioning vaccines against diseases that are much worse than covid. We got lucky in 2020.
People like to bitch and moan about the inconveniences endured during covid and would use terms like “doom sayers” to insult people who promoted lockdowns and vaccines. Under the guise of “it wasn’t that bad”.
Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Without lockdowns and vaccines it would’ve been ten times worse. We actually got relatively scot-free. Huge swaths of the developing world endured millions of deaths.
Anyone with more than two brain cells to run together, who learns about the “Spanish Flu” of 1918-1920, should immediately say “I’m getting vaccinated, I’m wearing a mask and I’m self isolating”. 50 million people died. 50 million! We got lucky with COVID because so many people unselfishly did those things.
50 million out of 1.8 billion population. Or 2.78% of the poulaton died.
Today the same death rate for a pandemic would be around 225 million people.
I was tracking the pandemic and the mortality rate among patients who had to be hospitalized during the initial strain was over 5% at times! People really don’t get how lucky we are that the omicron and subsequent variants has lower mortality. Imagining even 10 or 15% would completely collapse our medical system altogether.
Society before vaccines didn’t have lockdowns all the time, the mortality was higher because you died of disease now almost forgotten. During epidemics a lot of things still had to get done, the corpses didn’t remove themselves, people still needed food, water and their shit carried off.
I’m not sure many people against vaccines these days have met anyone who got the diseases everyone is vaccinated for nowadays. Polio as a child? You survived? Great, you’ll have a limp and bad joints your whole life…
It did indeed have lockdowns! Public Health quarantines have a history that is thousands of years old. Polio would close public pools regularly when my parents were children.
Closing a pool and the 2020 insanity in some countries where you weren’t even allowed to walk your dog without self-certifying your outing as legal under the pseudo-curfew are very different, which is more what I meant by lockdowns since that’s what the contemporary meaning seems to be.
Florence has old as balls “wine holes”, where they serve wine through specially designed holes to limit the risk of spreading diseases.
Governments fought diseases back then just as hard or even harder than now.
They were originally meant to avoid taxes on storefronts but later repurposed, do you have any evidence it was government policy?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine#Notable_quarantines
Quarantines in case of known infections are very different from shutting down arbitrary sectors of an economy because politicians said so, they don’t even compare to lockdowns in scope.
Did you even read some of the quarantines? There are several instances of them quarantining entire countries, no boats in or out. There’s instances of towns being isolated, etc.
Lastly, your first sentence is absolutely baffling. We KNEW COVID was everywhere, wtf are you even talking about? At its height, the US alone was having around 200,000+ confirmed cases a day. You are vastly underplaying how close our medical system came to collapsing in huge swathes of the country. There’s absolutely a reason why there’s a global shortage of doctors and nurses right now, the burnout during the pandemic was absolutely unreal for medical workers.
The kneejerk complete shutdown at the beginning was a tad overkill in some places, but that was because of so many unknown variables. The initial strains were absolutely more deadly, so why risk it? However, I don’t remember anywhere in the US going to extremes of making it so you couldn’t even walk outside. Now, places like China absolutely went way overkill with literally forcibly boarding people into buildings.
I don’t live in the US. France and Italy had policies closer to Chinese ones, but not as stringent, you had fines in some places if you were unlucky, on paper though you weren’t supposed to be outside much if at all.
Everyone knew COVID was everywhere and yet from one week to the next the French government changed its tune completely, and conflicting information, empty promises and moving goalposts were the norm 2020-2022.
I never stopped working because I had an “essential” job. At first we weren’t provided masks then a few weeks later we would get punished if we didn’t wear them, we were told to keep a distance working manual jobs in teams, and there were zero scientific references for most decisions being taken. It was a giant circus.
yeah god forbid you stop the spread of a pandemic that’s killed over 7 MILLION people.
boo fuckin hoo
Because going out on the street was going to make the spread of a respiratory virus much worse than being forced to stay home most of the time? Places with stricter policies didn’t have better adherence to the rules anyway, Swedish people were never forced to stay home and more did than in Italy or France.
aw poor baby.
While the global scale of the covid lockdown was indeed unprecedented, quarantining and curfews were indeed used during the Spanish flu, bubonic plague and other widespread diseases. Back then, that was sufficient because population density was lower and the world was much less connected in general. Nobody went on a 2-week holiday trip to Bali during the bubonic plague, or huddled up in huge skyscraper office buildings for work, so the spreading of the disease was already slower.
Some years before covid (I think it was in 2012 or 2013), we got dangerously close to an ebola pandemic. That would have been fun, I imagine, I love bleeding out of all orifices and dying, my favorite past-time.
Yes, but unfortunately, it’s also “fuck it, increase risk of my kid/grandma dying a painful, early death”