• woelkchen@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent.

    Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes proves that establishing religion in the US is fine.

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        6 months ago

        Those are literally not mandatory.

        Except when they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

        • “the Pledge of Allegiance does not violate the rights of those who don’t believe in God and does not have to be removed from the patriotic message”

        • “As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.”

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          6 months ago

          I’m not sure what you think those quotes prove. Those quotes say nothing about it being mandatory.

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            6 months ago

            I’m not sure what you think those quotes prove.

            That it’s perfectly fine to for the government to promote Christian religion, i.e. what the submitted story is about.

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                6 months ago

                That would also be false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_deism

                Nah, that’s a bullshit excuse for religious indoctrination.

                Now, will you admit you were incorrect about the pledge of allegiance being mandatory in schools?

                No. If the pledge must be taught in school and some individual students can opt out of repeating that indoctrination, doesn’t mean that the pledge itself is not mandatory subject in school. I did not write that all students must recite it.

                All your “ceremonial deism” reference proves is that there is a giant loophole for the federal government to indoctrinate on religion and not just state and lower levels.

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                  6 months ago

                  If the pledge must be taught in school

                  This is also not a requirement. I’m just going to stop talking to you. Virtually everything you have said so far has not been true and you won’t even acknowledge any of it.

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                    I’m just going to stop talking to you.

                    Good, then I won’t have to deal with notifications that some forms of religious indoctrination are just secular ceremony.