Despite being a prequel, I think they are telling a unique (and imo awesome) story. We know the end result, but between the decent writing and S tier acting I think that this has the chance to be remembered as the best Trek ever imo. I may be in the minority, but having a hard coded ending shields the show from Paramount getting bored with it and forcing a bs ending. Even if they try, we know what happens in the end.
It’s just that the TOS prequel angle is exactly the way that Paramount can force some BS … because it’s the path to a TOS reboot.
We know paramount would want to do this (they’ve stated openly that familiar faces and franchises will be their future focus). And they’ve already played with the timeline. The episode with young Kahn establishes that we’re in a different canon timeline now, which means they’re probably feeling ambitious here about rebooting TOS in their own way. It need not cancel TOS, but just delay the timeline so that they can squeeze in their own pre-TOS TOS reboot.
From Lower Decks and Disco being cancelled, to Matalas heading the new Marvel Vision TV series (which means “Legacy” ain’t happening any time soon) … everything is lining up with the execs focusing on a SNW -> TOS reboot arc (for the cash).
From all of the reactions I’ve seen to the TOS characters in SNW (which I personally haven’t enjoyed because I like SNW and its own characters) … I think people would either eat it up or Paramount would be reasonable in expecting people to eat it up.
Even if the TOS prequel stuff eases, they’ve already laid the groundwork with Kirk now being an established secondary character and everyone apart from Sulu and Bones and of course Chekhov having been introduced (but they all come kinda later don’t they?)
I hope I’m wrong. But like I said, the moment Kirk appeared in the finale of SNW S1, however much I liked the episode, that was the door way for paramount forcing BS.
And just in case anyone thinks I just hate TOS … it’s not about that, it’s about moving on from TOS and doing new things, and also, frankly, avoiding the pretty under-diverse set of characters TOS had compared to what we’d expect today. It really would be something if all of the women in SNW were to be pushed out for the men of TOS, which, in my opinion has already happened in the episodes that featured TOS characters (notice how La’an and especially Ortegas have been underdeveloped here and there?)
As long as we don’t get a Mass Effect style ending, I’ll be fine. I’ve always liked Trek, but SNW made me love it. I love the acting so much that it’d take a lot to get me to hate what the writers are potentially forced to do. My only real problem with Discovery is that in the end it focuses on a single character, and that can feel tiring at best. SNW makes it feel like the whole crew is important with a story to tell. My head cannon is that whatever is written, Pike is willing to use 7th century cookware inventions to make his crew happy, and to great effect. I’ll never get over him giving a shit about the entire crew.
As far as the potential ending BS goes, I think the writers for this series legitimately have more respect for the franchise than to just make final episode simply “Pike got hurt and now can only beep boop in a chair like a boss.” The “minor” characters matter here. This might be me just fangirling, but I have huge hopes for SNW going into (hopefully) S5 or beyond.
Yea I suspect that this is where things will go actually. But I’m not sure execs can resist the idea of a TOS reboot.
I’m not enough of a TOS fan to know how viable it is, but if they can get a writer keen to write stories that don’t break canon but simply add to the original stories, I think the execs will green light the shit out of that.
Yep. I haven’t watched any of Disco S5 (I’m one of those that have struggled with Disco and I just don’t think I can do s5) …
… But I am dropping whatever I need to for SNW S3.
I just hope they ease up on the TOS prequel stuff (which I’ve ranted about elsewhere), but still, I AM READY.
Despite being a prequel, I think they are telling a unique (and imo awesome) story. We know the end result, but between the decent writing and S tier acting I think that this has the chance to be remembered as the best Trek ever imo. I may be in the minority, but having a hard coded ending shields the show from Paramount getting bored with it and forcing a bs ending. Even if they try, we know what happens in the end.
Oh I’m with you.
It’s just that the TOS prequel angle is exactly the way that Paramount can force some BS … because it’s the path to a TOS reboot.
We know paramount would want to do this (they’ve stated openly that familiar faces and franchises will be their future focus). And they’ve already played with the timeline. The episode with young Kahn establishes that we’re in a different canon timeline now, which means they’re probably feeling ambitious here about rebooting TOS in their own way. It need not cancel TOS, but just delay the timeline so that they can squeeze in their own pre-TOS TOS reboot.
From Lower Decks and Disco being cancelled, to Matalas heading the new Marvel Vision TV series (which means “Legacy” ain’t happening any time soon) … everything is lining up with the execs focusing on a SNW -> TOS reboot arc (for the cash).
From all of the reactions I’ve seen to the TOS characters in SNW (which I personally haven’t enjoyed because I like SNW and its own characters) … I think people would either eat it up or Paramount would be reasonable in expecting people to eat it up.
Even if the TOS prequel stuff eases, they’ve already laid the groundwork with Kirk now being an established secondary character and everyone apart from Sulu and Bones and of course Chekhov having been introduced (but they all come kinda later don’t they?)
I hope I’m wrong. But like I said, the moment Kirk appeared in the finale of SNW S1, however much I liked the episode, that was the door way for paramount forcing BS.
And just in case anyone thinks I just hate TOS … it’s not about that, it’s about moving on from TOS and doing new things, and also, frankly, avoiding the pretty under-diverse set of characters TOS had compared to what we’d expect today. It really would be something if all of the women in SNW were to be pushed out for the men of TOS, which, in my opinion has already happened in the episodes that featured TOS characters (notice how La’an and especially Ortegas have been underdeveloped here and there?)
As long as we don’t get a Mass Effect style ending, I’ll be fine. I’ve always liked Trek, but SNW made me love it. I love the acting so much that it’d take a lot to get me to hate what the writers are potentially forced to do. My only real problem with Discovery is that in the end it focuses on a single character, and that can feel tiring at best. SNW makes it feel like the whole crew is important with a story to tell. My head cannon is that whatever is written, Pike is willing to use 7th century cookware inventions to make his crew happy, and to great effect. I’ll never get over him giving a shit about the entire crew.
As far as the potential ending BS goes, I think the writers for this series legitimately have more respect for the franchise than to just make final episode simply “Pike got hurt and now can only beep boop in a chair like a boss.” The “minor” characters matter here. This might be me just fangirling, but I have huge hopes for SNW going into (hopefully) S5 or beyond.
I’m with you as a fanboy, just worried (and also enough of a fan that I want the the TOS characters to get out of the way of the SNW characters).
What if:
Paramount decided to add a few seasons to TOS with the new actors? Not quite a reboot?
Yea I suspect that this is where things will go actually. But I’m not sure execs can resist the idea of a TOS reboot.
I’m not enough of a TOS fan to know how viable it is, but if they can get a writer keen to write stories that don’t break canon but simply add to the original stories, I think the execs will green light the shit out of that.