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    i suspect that most of them are reddit refugees since they push so hard for an echo chamber against viewpoints they don’t like

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      Communists acknowledge the necessity of censoring harmful ideas and effectively communicate their rationale. Meanwhile, liberals criticize communists for such practices while simultaneously advocating for the suppression of dissenting views. This exposes their hypocritical stance on free speech and open dialogue.

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        On the various posts in this current flood of “Communists should leave the communist instance for my own comfort” nonsense, even the anti-.ml crowd can’t provide good examples of how anyone who looks at them funny gets banned. Nobody has modlog receipts and almost every example THEY provide of communists oppressing them or whatever is THEM saying dumb nothings like “I can’t hear you over Tienanmen Square” or cussing up a storm while the .ml person is like “Here’s a book about XYZ”

        I’m sure people have been perhaps hastily moderated on .ml, but probably not any more than any other instance, and if so they aren’t the ones rallying to de-ML .ml.

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          I think a lot of this is basically culture shock of people realizing that their views aren’t dominant on the platform and having their deeply held biases questioned.

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      Not only that, but Reddit refugees too idealistic for Reddit, but without niche interests guiding them to a niche instance, plus a desire to not even be federated with Marxist instances.

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    So I should be perfectly safe to mention any awful shit that allegedly leftist states did… right?

    No possibility this comment gets removed for saying leftist states can also fuck up, or implying any of them are only allegedly leftist.

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      I never see this “Lenin is my daddy cull the herd uWu” nonsense y’all can’t stfu about, but I sure can’t escape the sea of “I dIsAgReE, sEe YoU oN tEh BaN lIsT!”

      Which quite frankly I think SHOULD net a ban, this disingenuous “oh sure you can talk about redistributing wealth but I mention murder being bad AND IM BANNED DURR” bullshit is tiring.

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        Here’s that thing you think doesn’t exist. Straight-up ‘the Soviet Union did nothing wrong and the holodomor didn’t happen.’ With people cheering him on. In an anarchist community.

        Re-reading it now, he also insists the USSR saved Poland… y’know… after they split it in half. If people want to celebrate the Soviets’ role in defeating Hitler, by all means shout it from the rooftops, but nobody got out of World War 2 completely innocent.

        I just blocked that guy instead of getting into it - even though I apparently fucking adore getting into it - specifically because of past moderation on this instance. I will bicker and have it out with people for days, when I feel a topic is important, and continue having it out with the mods themselves if they want to intervene, and even I have simply written off most of this instance as an exclusion zone. Too many broadly-agreeable spaces are policed to enforce very specific opinions about really fucked-up topics.

        You are mocking people’s honest experiences of this instance. Its reputation is not some conspiracy. New users incidentally mention obvious problems with certain geopolitically important countries, get their comments erased or maybe eat a ban, and are told by old users - ‘yeah, that’ll happen.’

        It’s a broken stair.

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          I don’t know if you linked the wrong post or what cause I see one person making lengthy arguments and offering sources while the other makes dinky diversions. Not a great argument on your behalf.

          You are mocking peoples honest experiences of this instance

          Am I? Because if you’re (or whoever is) here arguing about being banned from .ml, you’re notably not banned from .ml, and if im reading sombodys “This comment will be removed” comment, it by definition hasnt been removed. 🤷

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            Long means correct, apparently. Nevermind what’s being said.

            you’re notably not banned from .ml

            Strawman. Not all bans are permanent, not all bans are global.

            And ‘I never see what you’re talking about’ / ‘it can’t be what you’re talking about if I can see it’ is a catch-22.

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              Long means correct, apparently. Nevermind what’s being said.

              Considering the counter argument was “Fuck you you’re wrong,” I’m going to go ahead and side with the person who actually makes a coherent point. Any point at all, really. “I CAN’T HEAR YOU LULZ” doesn’t count.

              Not all bans are permanent, not all bans are global. Sure, but if you were constantly getting temp bans, it’d be preettttyyyy easy to show some receipts, if it were true and not just a rallying cry for some butthurt capitalist stans.

              I get it buddy. You don’t like leftists, so anything leftist is bad. Righties love screaming at me about the modlog, so allow me to turn it on you - If you stay getting banned, show us. Show us you getting banned and all your comments being removed for disagreeing. Should be easy since supposedly anybody left of Biden isn’t allowed to exist on .ml, right?

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                You don’t like leftists

                Arguments are easy when you just make shit up.

                Good day.

                edit: And pre-empting any posturing about ‘well I made up a challenge and it went unanswered,’ you can check the modlog. Check mine. You don’t need me to hold your hand for it. See where one of your mods misspelled “orientalism” because someone dared call China a dictatorship. I don’t see any point pressing the issue with you when your hot take on counterfactual nonsense is ‘but where’s the detailed disproof? the Gish gallop is correct by default!’

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      Any Leftist that’s done any real organizing has likely worked with Anarchists. Those guys hate all states, and aren’t afraid to tell your classic Marxists about how some of those very left states did them realllllly bad. I don’t think any leftist whos operating in good faith has a problem with real critisizm. I think they have problems with state department propaganda lines that they have to hear and refute like every time they try to talk about any kind of Leftism.

      Especially since those lines are the some of the most detracting arguements there are (probably on purpose) so most times it does nothing but obfuscate the original point and move the topic of discussion away from that point.

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        ‘This site’s mods and admins censor dry criticism.’

        ‘We the users handle criticism just fine.’

        That was not the subject.

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          I’m confused. You asked if you would be fine to criticize the left here without getting banned and I replied to that comment answering, and now you’re telling me that wasn’t the subject? Why do you assume I was only talking about the users?

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            Because the admins and several major mods have a history of censoring disagreement. Especially when it’s criticism of “those very left states.” Often just for saying those states are left… or aren’t.

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                  “i feel like you’re being combative, you’re not engaging with what I’m saying. Makes me think you’re just here to be an asshole”

                  [Doesn’t engage the content, lobs insults, ‘he did it first’]

                  “I can see why you might have been banned”

                  “What do you mean I’m being totally reasonable?!”


                  There’s something about this format that just feels good, ya know? Like I’m invisible to criticism. I wonder why more people don’t use it

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      As much as I do think some lemmy.ml-mods are on a tankie power trip (because some if my comments stating things like the USSR and North Korea never actually implemented socialism and are/were dictatorial regimes got deleted), as much do I cringe reading ‘leftist states’. Or ‘leftist’ for that matter.

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        The fuck else do you want?

        People say “communist” and get jumped for using the magical theoretical ideal that’s obviously never been done.

        People say “socialist” and get jumped for polluting the word with Bernie Sanders and Norway and whatnot.

        99% of leftists’ problem is other leftists, and 99% of their problem is bitching about word choice. Presumably including the word “bitching.”

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          I mean, USSR, North Korea, China, those are not actually communist nor socialist nor ‘leftist’. They are autocratic dictatorships, no matter their names or how they try and sell themselves. And western conservatives gladly jumped on the bandwagon because it makes it too easy to discredit the ideas of socialism and communism. Whenever you criticize capitalism and the current wealth based social hierarchy, someone just screams “But you want communism, see USSR, socialism baaad!” and completely derails the discussion. And what the heck does Norway has to do with socialism and how does it and Bernie Sander pollute the word?

          99% of leftists’ problem is other leftists, and 99% of their problem is bitching about word choice. Presumably including the word “bitching.”

          That is a fair point, and I myself are really holding back to not start a discussion about the term ‘leftist’. But that is easily explained. People on the left side of the spectrum often love to argue. We love having academic discussion, because those lead to new conclusions. And I’d even argue that’s a feature, not a bug. The problem is not the discussion but the communication to those not engaged in the discussion that it’s just academic.

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            There’s major communities on this instance where your comment would be deleted for that first sentence. Usually while hexbears insist China is the most democratic entity ever, and loudly scoff at the idea a power-consolidating lifetime-appointment unitary executive should ever be compared with a dictator.

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    Blocked lemmy.world after this nonsense, I was already sick of how closely that instance mirrored reddit; including the witch hunting and moderation double-standards (banning piracy and allowing floods of corporate capitalist news propaganda spam is fine, but deleting misinformation and whitewashing of US history is moderator overreach). Had a few communities there I liked, but I can live without them.

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        some tiny hyper-specific communities like c/DeepRockGalactic, as well as c/AssholeDesign (there’s a c/AssholeDesign on .ml, but it’s as dead as a doorknob); also enjoyed c/shitposting from time to time

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      That’s really the kicker for me with those people. The louder they shriek about being moderated for outright dickish behavior, the faster they’d ban you on their own turf for politely sharing a source that counters their narrative.

      I’ve agreed with you basically since the beginning of my lemmy experience about .world. I think that’s just where most Reddit refugees landed (including myself initially) so that’s why they have such a high concentration of people wanting this Reddit-adjacent neolib singular authority and want so strongly to defederate from anything remotely left of Biden -

      Or even go as far as the post I assume OP is based off of and screech about free speech by arguing how the MLs who BUILT LEMMY should abandon their .ML domain to make the instance less ML. Cause that’s how free speech works. >.>

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    Convenient that the censorship concerns get raised just after the anaversary of tianamin square. Any correlation Here?