• PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    131·
    14 days ago

    Again I’m not going to debate world war II.

    But your entire point rests on the idea that these posters engaging in atrocity denial is ‘just a disagreement’ that should be tolerated. So pretty clearly you are debating WW2, otherwise you wouldn’t be defending their right to “Just Ask Questions” about Soviet massacres of the Polish people.

    The severe issue at hand is banning somebody from an instance, an instance which runs about 30% of all Lemmy traffic, because of a ad hominem attack against their character for having what looks to be a legitimate perhaps misguided discussion in a news community.

    Jesus fucking Christ. Correctly identifying and banning someone for spreading misinformation is ‘a ad hominem attack’, and genocide denial is just ‘legitimate perhaps misguided discussion’.

    What a fucking world.

    • Shyfer@ttrpg.networkEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      By your logic should we ban all the Zionists in Lemmy.world denying all the dead Palestinians and calling them Hamas. Because there’s a lot. The point is, these things become extremely subjective.

      EDIT: Just saw that some people said the invasion of Poland was bloodless. Those kinds of comments do sound like straight up misinformation, though, so it’s not all subjective lol.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        14 days ago

        By your logic should we ban all the Zionists in Lemmy.world denying all the dead Palestinians and calling them Hamas.

        I wouldn’t object.

    • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
      28·
      14 days ago

      Mr. Jesus,

      Removing somebody from a community, is fine and the prerogative of the community moderators. Removing somebody from lemmyworld at the instance, has a massive chilling effect on the entire lemmeverse. These are things that should have different scope, and different magnitude requirements.

      If you think somebody was being disingenuous in your community, removing them from the community fine I support you, I don’t agree with you, but the fact that you can do that is a legitimate moderation tool available to you. And I think that’s correct.

      Removing that person from all communities, for what looks like genuine level engagement, I think is a bridge too far, and harms all of Lemmy.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        14 days ago

        First, the person was only given a community ban, and not even a permanent ban.

        Second, people absolutely should feel that spreading genocide denialism isn’t kosher on any legitimate instance. If it was an instance ban, I’d be in support of it, in the same way I would support someone playing debatelord games about the fucking Holocaust should get the boot. It doesn’t matter even if they do ‘genuinely’ believe in their genocide denialism, it is not and should not be welcome in any civilized space.

        • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
          42·
          14 days ago

          First, the person was only given a community ban, and not even a permanent ban.

          Okay, from my reading I thought it was an instance ban. Then I have no issue at all here. Carry on