Okay, real talk, I don’t really care what they do to the animals after they’re dead, as long as it’s hygienic.
The real problem is how they are treated during their lives, and how they’re killed. There are farms ranging from pretty bad to “absolutely horrible hellish shit you wouldn’t believe” bad.
Okay, real talk, the concept of ethics in general is a human construct. One that is impossible to apply across all cultures, and even when they are accepted as social mores, they are illogically applied and are often full of internal contradictions.
For example, if it’s unethical to “kill someone who’s done nothing to you and didn’t want to die.”, then can we assume it’s ethical to kill something that has slighted us? Or is it okay to kill something that isn’t conscious of it’s mortality?
How do we determine if something doesn’t want to die? How do we delineate the difference between something like zooplankton or krill from plants?
I don’t really eat meat, but that’s mostly for health and environmental harm reduction. However, I understand that humans are imperfect beings, and have different social mores to adhere too. Out of all the evil man has unleashed over our evolution, I would hardly say that consuming animal products is anywhere close to the top of the list.
Plus, I think the way the west classifies veganism is a bit culturally insensitive. Different cultures subscribe to different interpretations of attributes when defining traits to life forms than in the west.
For example, there are Buddhist monks in Korea that eat a “vegan diet”, except their kimchi is made with krill. Now if you ask if they eat meat or animals, they will tell you no. However, culturally krill aren’t really considered an animal, they’re viewed more as a plant.
I would hardly call a person who’s spent their entire lives living off of plants a carnist or “bloodmouth”, just because they eat a little krill. But, I would like to hear your opinion on the matter.
Why does everything not have the right to not be harmed. You kill bugs when you drive a car, where’s your sympathy for them?
Nearly every being that exists harms other beings. Even herbivores through being territorial or mating. Drawing and arbitrary line then saying we can’t hurt anything past it is silly when we can’t even stop hurting each other.
Well that’ll be hard with her being dead a few years back but I hope I’m enlightened as you one day. Maybe all the meat juice is just making my brain dumb.
Even a wounded animal is going to respond physically to the sound of a saw. Then you have to consider what will happen when the half dead body of a 900lb pig is placed on a cold steel plate and slowly pushed into a sharp fast moving band saw. A half alive pig would take a few people to hold it down and get the job done.
If you go ass first, damn things would probably kick and scream for a good 5 minutes before it would succumb to the injuries. Would be better to go head first really.
On second thought, for the health of the consumer, the food meat animal would need to be gutted before it was cut on the band saw. Yeah, gutting a half living meat sack would be much harder than a dead one. Very awkward. Maybe if it were dead enough it might even live for an extra few minutes. One might say that would be an advantage over being killed instantly with a bolt to the skull. You had a few more minutes of life, no matter how painful they might have been.
Paralysed maybe, not able to move our scream. A soft gloved hand stroking the skin. A cold, sharp pinch as a gutting knife quickly penetrates your body. Just a few more seconds now. The blade expertly guided up the abdomen. The flow of warm blood flowing over the legs. A sudden feeling of coldness as the blood drains, one last breath taken. Never exhaled.
The pig was likely gassed or shot to death. Its body was then cut in half with a large saw, then hung on a conveyor to be dismembered.
Okay, real talk, I don’t really care what they do to the animals after they’re dead, as long as it’s hygienic.
The real problem is how they are treated during their lives, and how they’re killed. There are farms ranging from pretty bad to “absolutely horrible hellish shit you wouldn’t believe” bad.
Okay, real talk, there’s no ethical way to kill someone who’s done nothing to you and didn’t want to die.
We should therefore be farming boomers instead. Gimme those daddy steaks
Okay, real talk, the concept of ethics in general is a human construct. One that is impossible to apply across all cultures, and even when they are accepted as social mores, they are illogically applied and are often full of internal contradictions.
For example, if it’s unethical to “kill someone who’s done nothing to you and didn’t want to die.”, then can we assume it’s ethical to kill something that has slighted us? Or is it okay to kill something that isn’t conscious of it’s mortality?
How do we determine if something doesn’t want to die? How do we delineate the difference between something like zooplankton or krill from plants?
I don’t really eat meat, but that’s mostly for health and environmental harm reduction. However, I understand that humans are imperfect beings, and have different social mores to adhere too. Out of all the evil man has unleashed over our evolution, I would hardly say that consuming animal products is anywhere close to the top of the list.
Plus, I think the way the west classifies veganism is a bit culturally insensitive. Different cultures subscribe to different interpretations of attributes when defining traits to life forms than in the west.
For example, there are Buddhist monks in Korea that eat a “vegan diet”, except their kimchi is made with krill. Now if you ask if they eat meat or animals, they will tell you no. However, culturally krill aren’t really considered an animal, they’re viewed more as a plant.
I would hardly call a person who’s spent their entire lives living off of plants a carnist or “bloodmouth”, just because they eat a little krill. But, I would like to hear your opinion on the matter.
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Awwwwwww, thank you! I’m glad you think I’m adorable 😊
Animals aren’t people wtf.
Livestock animals deserve far better than they get, but comparing their lives to humans is absurd
Neither are conservatives, but I’m not about to slaughter them and fry them up.
Ah Lemmy, just rattling off casual murder
Exactly. I took the position opposed to the slaughtering and you casually took the pro-killing position.
I never discussed murder.
Edit murder is exclusively defined as humans killing humans.
I was by contrast pointing out that animals are not humans.
Of course animals aren’t people. Some animals are cool.
Yeah, and taste awesome with BBQ sauce!
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog
Good thing a pig isn’t someone.
Why?
Because pig is not person…
Why does a pig have no right not to be harmed?
Why does everything not have the right to not be harmed. You kill bugs when you drive a car, where’s your sympathy for them?
Nearly every being that exists harms other beings. Even herbivores through being territorial or mating. Drawing and arbitrary line then saying we can’t hurt anything past it is silly when we can’t even stop hurting each other.
This is how I feel about some humans. I’m glad we can agree on that.
I agree, but we don’t like to use pig as a slang term for police here. Do better.
Fuck, I’ve called cops pigs, I don’t get your point.
Are you saying pigs should have guns or that we should eat cops. I’m honestly down for either.
I know you don’t get it hun, that’s okay. You can ask your mom to explain it to you when you’re older.
Well that’ll be hard with her being dead a few years back but I hope I’m enlightened as you one day. Maybe all the meat juice is just making my brain dumb.
Thank God it’s shot to death, it would be really awkward if it was just wounded
Tell me more why that would be awkward.
Even a wounded animal is going to respond physically to the sound of a saw. Then you have to consider what will happen when the half dead body of a 900lb pig is placed on a cold steel plate and slowly pushed into a sharp fast moving band saw. A half alive pig would take a few people to hold it down and get the job done.
If you go ass first, damn things would probably kick and scream for a good 5 minutes before it would succumb to the injuries. Would be better to go head first really.
On second thought, for the health of the consumer, the food meat animal would need to be gutted before it was cut on the band saw. Yeah, gutting a half living meat sack would be much harder than a dead one. Very awkward. Maybe if it were dead enough it might even live for an extra few minutes. One might say that would be an advantage over being killed instantly with a bolt to the skull. You had a few more minutes of life, no matter how painful they might have been.
Paralysed maybe, not able to move our scream. A soft gloved hand stroking the skin. A cold, sharp pinch as a gutting knife quickly penetrates your body. Just a few more seconds now. The blade expertly guided up the abdomen. The flow of warm blood flowing over the legs. A sudden feeling of coldness as the blood drains, one last breath taken. Never exhaled.
BRB! My bacon is ready.
Wait come back, I’d almost finished
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right in the plant feels
Careful, you’ll trigger the “you can’t prove plants can’t feel pain” cascade. It’s a very annoying subroutine.
I raise by fodder inefficiency and take them by their word to reduce suffering.
The best part is that farming animals kills more plants than just eating them directly
Actually you have me convinced now, gonna go chow down on a cow. I fucking hate plants 😡🌲🔪
Finally