No, Lenin was not a genocidal dictator. Additionally, whether you agree with his contributions to Marxism or not, he remains the most influential Marxist of the 20th century, every major Marxist org since Lenin has been influenced by his analysis of Imperialism, the State, and Revolution, whether it be via accepting them, or deliberately rejecting them.
You could dispute the genocidal bit but you cannot in good faith argue that the communist party wasn’t dictatorial.
Additionally, whether you agree with his contributions to Marxism or not, he remains the most influential Marxist of the 20th century, every major Marxist org since Lenin has been influenced by his analysis of Imperialism
And I believe the OPs point is that that’s a bad thing.
We shouldn’t be basing our politics and imagery today off the guy who fucked socialism for a century.
You could dispute the genocidal bit but you cannot in good faith argue that the communist party wasn’t dictatorial.
In what manner was the Communist Party “dictatorial?” It held immense power, yes, but it wasn’t 1 dude deciding everything, there was worker participation in how it ran and the party itself was democratically run. There was corruption, yes, but it wasn’t a dictatorship either.
And I believe the OPs point is that that’s a bad thing.
We shouldn’t be basing our politics and imagery today off the guy who fucked socialism for a century.
How, exactly, did Lenin “fuck socialism for a century?”
In what manner was the Communist Party “dictatorial?” It held immense power, yes, but it wasn’t 1 dude deciding everything,
Ah yes, as long as there is at least 2 dudes deciding everything it’s not a dictatorship.
there was worker participation in how it ran and the party itself was democratically run.
As long as you liked the way that the party wanted things to be, yes.
How, exactly, did Lenin “fuck socialism for a century?”
His party went on to encourage other revolutionary groups to adapt the anti-socialist Leninist-Stalinist structure, at times actively sabotaging socialist movements that were structured differently.
In those times you either fell behind the ML party line or had no support from the international movement, the russian communists absolutely fucked it all up.
Ah yes, as long as there is at least 2 dudes deciding everything it’s not a dictatorship.
There were far more than “2 dudes” in the CPSU, and far, far more than 2 dudes in the USSR that contributed to the electoral process and voted within it.
As long as you liked the way that the party wanted things to be, yes.
Yes, generally, though you could join the party and influence it from within.
His party went on to encourage other revolutionary groups to adapt the anti-socialist Leninist-Stalinist structure, at times actively sabotaging socialist movements that were structured differently.
How was it “anti-socialist?” Where is the departure from Marx in Lenin?
In those times you either fell behind the ML party line or had no support from the international movement, the russian communists absolutely fucked it all up.
What other movements have succeeded at all? Why do you think Marxists generally are made up of MLs?
I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds if you want a critical look at the successes and failures of the USSR, and its place in Socialist history.
Yeah, if you link them without an ounce of critical thought?
Why do you believe I didn’t link them while thinking critically? You have misconceptions about Marxism, and don’t want to take my word for it, so why not hear it from Marx?
I just want an ML to give me one single argument that was created in the 21st century.
I’m arguing now, about a 20th century Socialist State. If you want to move on to current events, like Palestinian Liberation, we can do that if you’d like.
Please just have one independent thought for once in your life I beg, not for your own good but so I can argue a point I haven’t already argued with MLs 100000 times before.
If you’ve argued these points 100,000 times and people are still linking theory, then maybe you should visit the theory yourself. Maybe then you’ll have new arguments.
You people are a laughing stock and your figureheads are russian bots and weird grifters.
Who are my figureheads?
You read and you listen to speeches and you have your little circlejerks, and all that comes out of it is shit that would come out of your mouth in 1931.
Not really sure how to respond to this, this is just mud-flinging.
Please get at least one new position, react to the current world, analyse what may have gone wrong with the past movements.
I can and do. The current world is dominated by US Hegemony, but Imperialism is weakening as countries in the global south seek increased protectionism and are starting to shake-off the IMF. The winds are changing. I also critically analyze the USSR, their adherance to planning by hand even with the advent of computers drew inefficiency that need not be replicated. Capitalist monopolies and near-monopolies also practice central planning internally, and we can scalp from their methods. Additionally, shutting itself off from the Capitalist world contributed to the collapse of the USSR, and created over-reliance on itself from smaller Socialist countries, who were hit hard during the collapse of the USSR, such as Cuba.
No, Lenin was not a genocidal dictator. Additionally, whether you agree with his contributions to Marxism or not, he remains the most influential Marxist of the 20th century, every major Marxist org since Lenin has been influenced by his analysis of Imperialism, the State, and Revolution, whether it be via accepting them, or deliberately rejecting them.
You could dispute the genocidal bit but you cannot in good faith argue that the communist party wasn’t dictatorial.
And I believe the OPs point is that that’s a bad thing.
We shouldn’t be basing our politics and imagery today off the guy who fucked socialism for a century.
In what manner was the Communist Party “dictatorial?” It held immense power, yes, but it wasn’t 1 dude deciding everything, there was worker participation in how it ran and the party itself was democratically run. There was corruption, yes, but it wasn’t a dictatorship either.
How, exactly, did Lenin “fuck socialism for a century?”
Ah yes, as long as there is at least 2 dudes deciding everything it’s not a dictatorship.
As long as you liked the way that the party wanted things to be, yes.
His party went on to encourage other revolutionary groups to adapt the anti-socialist Leninist-Stalinist structure, at times actively sabotaging socialist movements that were structured differently.
In those times you either fell behind the ML party line or had no support from the international movement, the russian communists absolutely fucked it all up.
There were far more than “2 dudes” in the CPSU, and far, far more than 2 dudes in the USSR that contributed to the electoral process and voted within it.
Yes, generally, though you could join the party and influence it from within.
How was it “anti-socialist?” Where is the departure from Marx in Lenin?
What other movements have succeeded at all? Why do you think Marxists generally are made up of MLs?
I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds if you want a critical look at the successes and failures of the USSR, and its place in Socialist history.
It’s almost like some Mario-mustache-ass pedophile resented other socialist movements for threatening his order.
I am honestly tired, you people all peddle the same nonsense talking points and link the same shitty books and essays.
MLs have not had an independent thought since the early 20th century and it really fucking shows.
You’re flinging mud because you can’t or don’t want to respond. Linking Marx is linking “shitty books and essays?”
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Why do you believe I didn’t link them while thinking critically? You have misconceptions about Marxism, and don’t want to take my word for it, so why not hear it from Marx?
I’m arguing now, about a 20th century Socialist State. If you want to move on to current events, like Palestinian Liberation, we can do that if you’d like.
If you’ve argued these points 100,000 times and people are still linking theory, then maybe you should visit the theory yourself. Maybe then you’ll have new arguments.
Who are my figureheads?
Not really sure how to respond to this, this is just mud-flinging.
I can and do. The current world is dominated by US Hegemony, but Imperialism is weakening as countries in the global south seek increased protectionism and are starting to shake-off the IMF. The winds are changing. I also critically analyze the USSR, their adherance to planning by hand even with the advent of computers drew inefficiency that need not be replicated. Capitalist monopolies and near-monopolies also practice central planning internally, and we can scalp from their methods. Additionally, shutting itself off from the Capitalist world contributed to the collapse of the USSR, and created over-reliance on itself from smaller Socialist countries, who were hit hard during the collapse of the USSR, such as Cuba.
Homophobia, color me shocked.
He wasn’t, but the fact that his system was so easily taken over by someone who was should be reason enough to distrust ML.