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    11 months ago

    By refusing to let the protestors exit the freeway, the police caused the blockage of traffic to be over 3 hours longer, during the handling of all the arrests.

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      Police also like to crowd protesters into confined areas and then arrest them for not dispersing.

      Police love to escalate peaceful protests into violent ones by making everything worse.

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        Kettling (also known as containment or corralling) is a police tactic for controlling large crowds during demonstrations or protests. It involves the formation of large cordons of police officers who then move to contain a crowd within a limited area. Protesters either leave through an exit controlled by the police, leave through an uncontrolled gap in the cordons, or are contained, prevented from leaving, and arrested.

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        Not that I would support it in any way, but that would be the perfect time for people to suicide bomb. Being crowded with a bunch of people would definitely lower the impact, but being slightly spread out, you might have a better chance of doing more damage.

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      I’ll correct your post for you chief no need to edit. What halfempty really meant to say: By entering the freeway, the protestors caused the blockage of traffic to be over 3 hours longer.

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      Maybe these people shouldn’t have started blocking the highway in the first place? There’s nothing here that makes these arrests unjustified.

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        Maybe some dickhole shouldn’t have claimed he won an election that he clearly lost, taking advantage of stupid people and severing the country. What, we should sit back and let the country fall completely to corruption? Fuck off with your trash take.

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          How would you feel if a bunch of Trump supporters started blocking the highway to protest that the election was stolen from him? The point is that there are effective ways to protest and blocking highways is not one of them regardless of if you agree with the protesters or not. You’ll never attract anyone to your point of view by talking down to them and telling them to “fuck off with your trash take.”

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            No, the point is that there are not effective ways to protest anymore, by design! And the way I felt on January 6th was pure rage! I have zero sympathy for these fuckers.

            You can sit by and watch the country crumble and succumb to corruption. I won’t, and millions more won’t either. Sorry you can’t get to work on time, but look at the bigger picture.

            Defending the police state… what a chode.

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              No, the point is that there are not effective ways to protest anymore, by design!

              There is no one stopping you from protesting peacefully and without public disruption (like blocking roads) just as people in decades past did. What the people did in this video was clearly illegal and the police were correct to arrest those responsible. That’s not defending “the police state,” it’s recognizing that a group of people were doing something clearly illegal and being arrested for it accordingly without, from what I can tell form the video, excessive use of force.

              You can sit by and watch the country crumble and succumb to corruption.

              Lawlessness is not the answer. That includes blocking highways, assaulting the US Capitol, whatever. These are matters for the courts to decide based on rule of law. Which by the way, in this situation threw out every single one of Trump’s challenges to the election. You’re allowed to be jaded, but don’t confuse that with throwing out the entire system instead of attempting to fix its ills in a constructive way.

              But sure, call me a “chode” for having a nuanced take on something and understanding that the world is not black and white. Insulting people is a wonderful way to sway opinion. Let’s turn down the toxicity here.

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                The courts are corrupt, you joker. At the end of the day, big cases go to the supreme court, which is stocked full of completely corrupt people (and you know this!). Your “nuance” is part of the reason we are here, having to take drastic action.

                You are blind if you think that peaceful, government-condoned protests will change a fucking thing.

                This isn’t the 1960’s. Those in charge have learned from those lessons. Drastic change is not peaceful, but it is exactly what we need. Protest SHOULD be disruptive, like strikes, which actually affect change! While those protesting (actual patriots, take notes) are risking their lives (literally), you’re slightly inconvenienced. Fuck off.

                I’d take anarchy over the goddamn passive bullshit you’re spewing any day of the week, and I’m not alone. Trump will not be president again; not in my lifetime.

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                  Protest SHOULD be disruptive, like strikes, which actually affect change! While those protesting (actual patriots, take notes) are risking their lives (literally), you’re slightly inconvenienced.

                  Sure, strike all you want. That’s not putting yourself and drivers on a highway in danger. Or shining a laser into a helicopter blinding the pilot while flying over a populated area. Indeed these people are risking their lives, but also putting other’s lives at risk too, especially when doing this stunt at night in the middle of an active highway. It’s not just a slight inconvenience, it’s stupid, misplaced, and irresponsible.

                  But alright my man, if that’s how you feel so be it, it’s your prerogative to be angry and call the people that would otherwise support your cause a “chode” and telling them to “fuck off” multiple times. The reason we’re in this situation is because of the anger and extremism. You know, I used to have a harder line on all of this stuff too, but after spending time having real conversations with people I disagreed with came around to realize that internet discourse is pure sensationalism and doesn’t reflect the real world. If we could turn down the volume then this extremism on both sides would not be necessary. Fighting fire with fire is always a losing game for both sides.

                  If you’d be willing to have an open mind for 15 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVV2Zk88beY

                  Anyway, I’m out. I came to this community for tech privacy issues, but it’s quickly turning into conspiracy and political theater so I unjoined it entirely. Take care.

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                Gay sex used to be illegal. Do you think people shouldn’t have been doing it?

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                  That’s a false equivalency. Gay sex is an act between consenting adults. I’ll copy what I wrote in another comment in this thread on the issue of blocking a highway:

                  In the case of this road thing, my concern stems from people, at night, flooding onto a highway. There’s a good chance multiple people are hit, and killed at those speeds, possibly involving multiple vehicles, maybe a semi-truck. Even the drivers of the cars could be hit by other cars and hurt themselves. Short of that, you have the psychological toll to live with of having accidentally killed someone. It’s really just a bad idea all around on top of not being an effective protest method. For those reasons, I do believe the police acted appropriately to show up, and arrest the people doing it.

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                Dude, you’re a fucktard. Nothing you’ve said has any sense behind it. Have fun being on Lemmy. No here one likes you.

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              Jan 6th was the only effective protest left. Don’t cede that tactic to the “chuds.”

              e: Also I love you fully support the police state coming down on the Jan6th protestors that you ahve “zero sympathy” for, but also criticize that poster for “defending the police state.”

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                Trump is a criminal and a traitor, and he and those that support him should be punished to the full extent of the law. The police that beat minorities because its fun should also.

                I support the correct cause. When something is obviously wrong, I support the people that stand up.

                I feel bad for you if you can’t tell the difference between right and wrong.

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                  Yikes. You let the law define what is right or wrong for you. I dont’ think lemmy is the right place for you.

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      Is it? All I saw was a helicopter with decent optics, but nothing particularly special, and cops talking on low bandwidth radios.

      Even when we get to actual behavior, we see the cops starting with the assumption that they’ll be just telling people to leave and planning routes to do so, before it changes to arresting people for blocking a freeway. They make sure people are notified that they’re under arrest early, and the make sure they have adequate transportation before they begin the arrest process.

      Like, there’s plenty of scary and shitty things cops do, but this wasn’t one of them.

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        I live in europe so a surveillance helicopter watching your moves during a protest or whatever that is is pretty scary, yes.

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          In this case the helicopter came because they blocked a major highway.

          A helicopter coordinating police movements during civil unrest is pretty standard anyplace that can afford helicopters. That’s definitely not just an American thing.
          Do you think France is eschewing using helicopters to coordinate police movements with their current unrest?

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    I was able to find a video of obvious police agitators for my family member a few years ago (they had cop boots and were allowed to cross the cop line when the crowd turned on them), but it’s been memory-holed. I can’t find it after about 10-20 searches. If someone still had this, please link. The leader was screaming into a megaphone that the violent three were not a part of their group.

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      I know what you are talking about, but there have been so many police infiltrators of protests since then, that it’s hard to recall the specific instance. It predates george floyd, and I think it was at the protest for Michael Brown when the police left him dying in the street for over an hour before even attempting to render aid, even stopping EMTs from attending him. It was one of the first big BLM protests that I remember.

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    1. It’s really difficult to take such a heavily edited video with shitty music seriously.
    2. What exactly does this reveal? That the police use helicopters with various cameras and radios to communicate? Uh, no shit. Anyone that’s watched one of those police chase shows in the past few decades could tell you that.
    3. You know what everyone hates? Traffic. Shutting down a highway has to be the absolute worst possible way to get people to join your movement. It’s obnoxious and dangerous. These people deserve to be arrested regardless of what disperse orders were or were not given.
    4. Shining a laser at an aircraft is extremely dangerous. Ask any pilot how it can be blinding. The person doing that 100% should be arrested.

    And what exactly does this have to do with privacy anyway? Nothing here belongs in this community.

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      The tactics and technology of the police state are absolutely a privacy concern.