I included the response I would have sent, were the thread not locked. This is how coward libs argue. They’re calling the well-known study by Purdue demonstrating that the US is a oligarchy a “far left news source”, for context.
You claim the US is a democracy and yet you close the thread and use your mod powers to argue and nobody can reply. Curious
no more half measures walter
Wasn’t there a founding father quote where they specifically said they needed to avoid “too much” democracy or else the masses would get empowered and use that against the business owners, or something to that effect?
I am blanking on the specifics of it but perhaps if I throw that out there someone will know what I’m talking about.
Madison, federalist 62, excerpts are posted elsewhere here
Oh lmao I didn’t even read down because I didn’t expect it to be here so early in the thread.
Tbf it is extremely egregious, the man in no uncertain terms says if we have too much democracy the people will seize the means
Yeah it’s one of the most candid examples of class war being waged by their side.
Probably not what you’re looking for, but Hamilyon called Democracy a disease in his final letter.
That’s pretty standard loser talk. If Jefferson had had his ass handed to him repeatedly, he likely would have penned similar shit.
Considering Hamilton grounds his support for federalism in his opposition for democracy, I don’t think so
Liberal democracy has plenty of problems, as evidenced by the failure of the Articles of Confederation.
Opposition to American Democracy in 1776 relative to aristocracy was a matter of margins. And the Jacksonian Democracy that would govern American through the majority of its existence absolutely sucked balls.
Yeah, James Madison. Noam Chomsky brings this up frequently and one of his lectures is where I first learned, many years ago now, about the idea that founding fathers set out not to create a democracy but to protect themselves and their wealth from democracy. Runs quite contrary to what we get taught as school children.
(oops I should have read the rest of the thread but hey why not repost it here too)
—James Madison
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Exactly right
Liberalism has always represented minorities. Namely, land owning white men.
I really hate those authoritarian tankies so much! Now, how else can I abuse my mod powers to piss off more tankies…
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10% of voting-age citizens in the US are not allowed to vote (disproportionately minorities). Of the rest, turnout is usually ~55% and the vote for either party is usually around or under half.
So in the absolute best case scenario, the government is put in by 25-30% of the voting age population, the overwhelming majority of whom are wealthy, white and/or old. So not much has changed.
Obviously without mentioning the many other issues, including the two-party system offering effectively zero choice for any voters anyway.
I’m amazed they can put up a curtain with a big sloppily handwritten sign that says “everyone can vote now” and the majority doesn’t bother to peek behind that curtain and see the lie.
Democracy is when you get to choose between old man yelling at cloud and most indicted man in the world who is also old
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It’s crazy
Smug liberals stop using ableism to insult their enemies challenge. Difficulty level: I N S A N E
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Thought about calling this out as well, I’m glad you did. This is a extremely naturalized form of ableist discourse (along with insane, stupid, etc) and I know I mess it up sometimes, though I try earnestly to use words that are equally vigorous but not ableist language.
I’m trying to use brain worms to convey the notion that someone’s mind is rotten from propaganda, as a way to substitute this language, but I don’t always get it right, as yet.
It helps me to remember that the main difference between edgelord discourse and better discourse is that pointing out choices of bad takes and bad ideology is a lot more structurally damning than “heh, you were born under less than ideal conditions.”
The one I struggle with most is lame
My brain suggests I use it all the time and I can never find a word that fits the meaning I want but without the connotation
weakass and pathetic could cover most uses probably, or loser shit
I want it in the context of a very mild bummer, like the resturaunt you wanted to go to was closed “aww, ****!”
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Does lame have a relation to disability? I thought it just meant boring or a bummer
ableist discourse (along with insane, stupid, etc)
using those words is ableism? lol get me outta here
I dont think we ban or even warn people for that language, but we should acknowledge the implications of that. However I think we’ve been pretty justified in calling things sociopathic or psychopathic behavior, even if we arnt licensed sociologists
Mod abuse 😊
We’ve always been a democracy even when the president owned hundreds of slaves or when the U.S. served as the inspiration for Nazi Germany or when the U.S. was engaging in directly massacring indigenous people and stealing their land (goes closer to the present than you think) or when black people were deprived of basic rights and segregated (oh wait that’s still happening in Chicago). “If we don’t fix the flaws in our democratic institutions” maybe stfu? Nobody gives a shit about whatever “democracy” allows you to massacre millions across the globe and coup popular leaders for your ruling class’ business interests. Maybe Amerika is fundamentally flawed and every U.S. politician should be shot (maybe).
“I am well aware we’re circling the fascism drain”
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Towards a Critique of the Category of Totalitarianism by Domenico Losurdo | See Ch. “Racial state and eugenics: the United States and the Third Reich” (page 22-26 of pdf)
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This is just completely delusional. The narrative that the US is flawed and was violent in the past, but now is democratic is wrong but still understandable. But the idea that the US has always been democratic is just
Here is my response on the US ever being a legitimate, or democratic country: President of Socialist Party of Zambia: Human development is not sustainable on basis of plunder
Lmao. Unless the last word is “disengage” we’re not done posting yet.
196?
More like
Well, democracy is literally communism so you should be happy that you’re living in Mao Biden’s communist utopia
Democratic Republics tend to descend into fascist states. It’s not a coincidence. The system you’re trying to save is why we have fascism.
I had forgotten just how much some people have absolutely no historical knowledge about anything but are completely convinced they know everything. Fucking read The Constitution. You don’t have to be an academic to understand what this shit was and is.
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Purdue? The guys that tell me how to cite works in my academic essays??
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