A few months ago, there was a post on the antifeminist sub. The post was a screenshot from an incel website that was posted on the Nothowgirlswork sub. There was a comment from nothowgirlswork which roasted the incel post.
The incel said he felt anxiety when he walked on the streets and saw women. The comment from nothowgirlswork was ridiculing him for feeling fear of women. He didn’t say anything misogynistic. There are some incels (on incel websites) who condone horrible things like raping women. This post was not like that.
It made me think that society expects men to be fearless and brave. Men are human and fear is a normal emotion that everyone has. It’s normal to feel anxiety around women, if the man has been traumatized in the past. Maybe the incel was traumatized by a woman in the past. People shouldn’t judge someone without knowing them.
The truth is women can be just as dangerous as men. Society has to stop thinking women are not as dangerous.
If a woman said she felt anxiety around men, redditors would be supporting her. They would say men are rapists and she should be scared of them. She would get all the empathy and sympathy. Reddit shows what people think secretly. Many people in society have this double standard too.
The truth is women can be just as dangerous as men.
Yes, they can be just as dangerous, and crimes by women are often portrayed as “not as bad” or entirely swept under the carpet.
Society has to stop thinking women are not as dangerous.
Well, here I have to disagree. Women on average are not as dangerous. Testosterone is a hell of a drug.
Which doesn’t mean that men should not be allowed to feel fear. But I do expect that adults would face their fears and try to control them.
Women on average are not as dangerous.
Yes, women are less physically dangerous. I was thinking women can be dangerous in non-violent ways. For example, falsely accusing a man of rape.
True.
I don’t see people in society acting as though women have no potential for violence and are not dangerous, merely that the average woman is less dangerous than the average man: a fact that is held up by statistics.
Fear is a normal emotion though and you’re allowed to feel fear. What you’re not allowed to do is let fear become phobia. If men scare you so much you can’t go outside: see a therapist. You’re unreasonable at that point. If women scare you so much that you are afraid of even seeing them: go see a therapist. Fear has become phobia and phobias are a dysfunction.
Anxiety and concern are normal but nobody should be supported or encouraged to feed those anxieties and fears to an unreasonable degree.
The average women is less dangerous than the average man when you take weapons and proxy violence out of the picture
How convenient that you do, as well.
90% of homicide and 80% of violent crime.
Even though women have weapons too, they’re not statistically as dangerous.
I’m not talking about physical differences. I’m talking statistical differences.
As such that affects perception.
You and I might both know that we’re not dangers but until all the other men do better we’re statistically and perceptually in the higher risk category.
Most men do better. We would do well to avoid generalizing. That is part of the problem here.
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You gonna give stats or just sling around strawmen?
Because you’re making big claims with 0 evidence.
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lmfao
So… you don’t have any proof? Nothing? No sources?? Entirely feels?
Cause if you had proof I’m sure you woulda slung it around. Your fragile ego can’t handle being wrong.
Here:
2019: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-42/table-42.xls
So in 7 years women finally got us beat on something other than prostitution: Embezzlement.
Grow the fuck up and own that we have a long way to go as a gender. Acknowledging that there is a problem doesn’t make you less worthy of a person. Men cause more violence. Men are more dangerous.
That doesn’t mean you are. That doesn’t mean I am.
That does mean that there is a problem though: And we need to be the solution.
You don’t fix something by shifting blame.
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So why do I have only see the “therapy” suggestion on mens’ posts, while women get unending support?
Confirmation bias is a helluva drug
There are plenty of posts telling women they’re delusional and they’re imagining things. Plenty telling them to seek help. You don’t remember them because they don’t offend you.
On my end of confirmation bias: I’ve seen plenty of men express vulnerability and get support and compassion.
Anecdotes are not data.
I’ve seen plenty of men express vulnerability and get support and compassion.
Where?
Because women need support and men just need to get their shit together of course.
It is men’s fault that they have any stress in their lives and therefore must get therapy to avoid becoming the violent monsters that they inherently are. Women are just observing reality and therefore need to be consoled.
Note: I am blaming patriarchy and society’s double standards.
I just think it was wrong of the commenter from nothowgirlswork to ridicule that guy. I also read a statistic today which said 49% of domestic violence victims are men.
Agreed: ridiculed is not helpful.
But he should seek therapy for his phobias as much as a woman should.
As for the 49% statistic: that may be true, but the statistics I’ve seen here done support it: https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS
But he should seek therapy for his phobias as much as a woman should.
Yeah, he can get therapy if he feels like it.
It’s not useful if he doesn’t feel like it
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“society expects men to be fearless and brave” is misandry
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Patriarchy (unlike “misandry”) is that thing which exists.
No patriarchy doesn’t exist.
What the fuck is wrong with both of you? Patriarchy and misandry both exist.
What is the evidence that patriarchy exists?
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It’s a valid question. And if you insist on using terminology that is often used in a misandrist way, you better explain exactly how you view it, what your definition of it is, and what, if any, evidence there is for its existence.
Attempts at gaslighting us into accepting misandry are not welcome here.
You’ve seen the evidence, you just reject it.
A few men being billionaires doesn’t mean patriarchy exists like the way feminists have defined it.
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I’m against feminism and most of what it teaches.
I can tell.
This user has now been banned for gaslighting us by stating misandry does not exist.
Misandry exists. Wtf? If misandry doesn’t exist, neither does misogyny.
I remember this user now. They (personally) define “misandry” as a female-led counterpart to “patriarchy”. What normal people would call a “matriarchy”, which no, doesn’t exist.
They believe misogyny and patriarchy are the same thing, and therefore misandry and matriarchy are the same thing. And matriarchy doesn’t exist therefore misandry doesn’t exist.
They believe misandry is SOLELY an INSTITUTIONAL structure designed to keep men down, and refuse to acknowledge that individual actions by individual women happen. I even tried to corner her on “okay, what word would you use” but she sidestepped the question multiple times.
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Perhaps you should reference a dictionary and actually understand the definition, instead of trying to create your own.
Expecting men to behave a certain way and shaming them for not doing so is misandry. The same way shaming women who don’t want to be housewives is misogyny.
Misandry is just hatred of men. It can be expressed in different ways.
I think that definition is too general. I definitely expect men to be honorable and keep their word, and would not feel bad for shaming them if they break it, for example.
Your definition would lead us to have no expectations whatsoever.
Of course, though I would apply those expectations on everybody. I meant expectations based on gender such as providing, protecting, etc.
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No. Misandry is real. Patriarchy isn’t.
Stop trying to gaslight us. Now let’s get back to the topic at hand.
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