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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)
while radiating out waste heat at higher temp would be easier itāll also take up valuable power, and either i donāt get something or youāre trying to break laws of thermodynamics
Iām saying that we shouldnāt radiate if it would be expensive. Itās not easy to force the heat out to the radiators; normally radiation only works because the radiator is more conductive than the rest of the system, and so it tends to pull heat from other components.
We can set up massive convection currents in datacenters on Earth, using air as a fluid. I live in Oregon, where we have a high desert region which enables the following pattern: pull in cold dry air, add water to cool it further and make it more conductive, let it fall into cold rows and rise out of hot rows, condition again to recover water and energy, and exhaust back out to the desert. Apple and Meta have these in Prineville and Google has a campus in The Dalles. If you do the same thing in space, then you end up with a section of looped pipe that has fairly hot convective fluid inside. What to do with it?
Iām merely suggesting that we can reuse that concentrated heat, at reduced efficiency (not breaking thermodynamics), rather than spending extra effort pumping it outside. NASA mentions fluid loops in this catalogue of cooling options for cubesats and I can explain exactly what I mean with Figure 7.13. Note the blue-green transition from āheatā to āheat exchangerā; thatās a differential, and at the sorts of power requirements that a datacenter has, it may well be a significant amount of usable entropy.
okay so you want to put bottoming cycle thermal powerplant on waste heat? am i getting that right?
so now some of that heat is downgraded to lower temperature waste heat, which means you need bigger radiator. you get some extra power, but itād be a miracle if itās anything over 20%. also you need to carry big heat engine up there, and all the time you still have to disperse the same power because it gets put back into the same server racks. this is all conditional on how cold can you keep condenser, but itās pointless for a different reason
youāre not limited by input power (that much), youāre more limited by launch mass and for kilogram more solar panels will get you more power than heat engine + extra radiators. also this introduces lots of moving parts because itād be stirling engine or something like that. also all that expensive silicon runs hot because otherwise you get dogshit efficiency, and thatās probably not extra optimal for reliability. also you can probably get away with moving heat around with heat pipes, no moving parts involved
also you lost me there:
okay this works because water evaporates, cooling down air. this is what every cooling tower does
no it doesnāt (but it doesnāt actually matter)
and here you lost me. i donāt think you can recover water from there at all, and i donāt understand where temperature difference comes from. even if thereās any, itād be tiny and amount of energy recoverable would be purely ornamental. if i get it right, itās just hot wet air being dumped outside, unless somehow server room runs at temperatures below ambient
also iām pretty sure thatās not how it works at all, where did you get it from
and Iām over here like āwhat if we just included a peltier elementā¦ but biggerā and then the satellite comes out covered in noctua fans and RGB light strips