I have a good friend who is generally good politically, not one of us but not bad. A socdem who is aware enough to know NATO is bad and Palestine deserves justice etc.
They’re very strong on feminism, advanced. More than me by far and I value their pov on feminism. A lot.
But they have Islamophobe brainworms. Mostly surrounding sexual violence in Europe by Muslims. They have a suite of rage bait statistics or anecdotes of sexual violence by Muslim men in Europe.
“See this isolated and context-free statistic which shows really the problem is Islam and the cultural values of these immigrants.”
The discussion for them becomes rooted in feminism.
“Why should women pay the price for all the sexual violence Muslim men bring with them? Honor killings are 100% Muslim!”
“X% of rapes are by muslims when they are only Y% of the population.”
“Why are all the immigrants men? We should ban the male refugees from these places, but as a good pro-refugee progressive we should allow the women and children in because they aren’t a problem.”
It’s tempting to try and fight this on data but I think that would kind of be conceding the deeper clash of civilizations argument in some way?
It’s also tempting to fight this on the grounds of material circumstances and point out that gender equality largely follows economic development but then that’s really just entirely conceding to the world view that Islamic immigration is an affliction upon European women for several generations until they assimilate.
I think a core problem here is that I am completely disconnected and unaware of what feminism looks like in the Muslim worlds and so I can’t speak to or challenge the underlying Islamophobia.
Of course there are issues with patriarchy in the Islamic world and when my friend points to the veil in Iran being enforced by the religious police and it’s impossible for me to deny that and I completely agree with them (while disagreeing with them insofar as I totally accept many Muslim women choose to wear it but then it becomes a complex go-nowhere discussion about peer pressure and bikinis) but then there’s this bridge from that true fact to the assertion that Islamic men are a threat to European women which is just like woah man wtf.
How do I approach this? Where’s my Muslim-world feminist perspective at? What are some considered debunks or analyses of the use of isolated statistics on sexual violence?
Like the best internet gotcha would be a statistical analysis that simply debunks the sexual violence statistics and that would be helpful but I believe there’s a deeper Islamophobia and sense of western cultural supremacy, clash of civilizations, thesis that they don’t explicitly acknowledge and I sense that feminism is being abused to ennoble that.
And on the flip side, I’m a male. I’m very unlikely to be a victim of sexual violence at this point in my life. I’m not going to be a victim of an honor killing. Do I have privilege I need to check here?
Overall I think the best would be for me to discover and learn feminist theory and female perspectives from Muslim / Arabic / Palestinian / Iranian / Afghan / Pakistani authors, both in the “Muslim world” and from those living in the west.
Maybe it would also be useful to look at how panic about black men raping women was used and is used to justify racial oppression as a consciousness raising exercise?
Considered feminist critiques of Islam?
Considered feminist critiques of Islamophobia in Europe?
These arguments from your friend, even though they are using statistics, are appeals to emotion more than anything else. Probably don’t need to worry about trying to found counter statistics to their claims.
I’d probably be using more pointedly shitty counter questions.
Yeah, rape is bad though. Does it matter if the assailant is an immigrant, Arab, Muslim or your non-immigrant neighbor? Does being an immigrant/Arab/Muslim make the sexual assault … worse somehow?
So, because some members of a group did a SA, all members of that group should be mass punished? Men (who haven’t SA’s anybody) forcibly separated from wives, children pulled from one of their parents, leaving a single parent to try to raise their kids as well as get a full time job to pay bills? What even would the cutoff be? What age would a boy be deemed “a threat of doing SA” and be deported or denied travel with their families to a new home… nine? … ten? … twelve years old? This doesn’t make any sense to me.
On this point, conservatives believe that they’re bring protected by the media/police/government because they don’t want to be accused of racism or because of some great replacement bs
My counter to this would be something along the lines of:
“So, you’re telling me that whenever you see a news article or watch some news segment about somebody being arrested for rape, accused of rape, or that a group of people living somewhere have a higher than average instance of reported rape… nobody talking about this mentions the immigration status or nation of origin or culture or religion of the accused rapist? Never? Not once? That’s super weird because you’re (the person I’m talking at in this hypothetical) specifically adding illegal immigrant/Arab/Muslim/Mideastern/Kenyan/etc qualifiers to this conversation. So where did you get those qualifiers from that you are using in this conversation?”