If you want to be combative about it, you can always learn up on the history of food and point out all the things that he eats that are “fake”.
That cola? You know that’s fake, right? HFCS isn’t real sugar.
That ketchup you just used? That’s fake, you know? Unless it’s walnut ketchup (at the very least) or fermented fish kê-chiap, that’s fake ketchup.
Bread? Lol. I hope you are aware that bread made with commercial yeast is an imitation of real bread that has been leavened with naturally occurring wild yeast from the atmosphere; it’s completely fake.
Oh you want to eat sushi? Yeah, that stuff is fake. Putting vinegar into fresh rice to mimic the sourness from lacto-fermented fish that has been stored in rice is bogus af.
Just try it out for a day and see how tiresome that schtick suddenly becomes when he’s on the receiving end of it.
I’ll hear people call plant-based alternatives “fake burgers” and “fake hot dogs,” but burgers and hot dogs, including both real and “fake” ones, are literally just manmade culinary creations.
Working within the carnist realm, what makes a dead cow hot dog equal in realness to a dead pig hot dog? What about dead bird hot dogs? How do they determine which of the flesh-based hot dogs is the benchmark for “realness?”
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Are you arguing that the definition of a word has to be set in stone? Semantic pedantry isn’t really the point you think it is.
No one is confused in 2024 by a vegan hot dog. You might have had a point 20 years ago but at this point no one is getting mislead.
Language changes all the fucking time.
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First of all, the post utilized “sour cream” as an example, so bringing up something like “vegan turkey slices,” a food that explicitly is titled with a mention of the animal-based product that it’s imitating, is most certainly a false equivalence and a bad-faith gesture to bring up in an effort to support your point.
Furthermore, this post has nothing to do with whether or not imitation meat/dairy products are “solutions” to meat consumption, whatever the fuck that is materially supposed to mean, so this is a red herring.
Veganism is an ethical stance. People don’t go vegan out of liking certain imitation products; the consumption comes second once people realize the unethicality of eating the animal-derived variants of said imitation products. Such imitation products do not need to exist for people to go vegan, but they’re tasty for people who enjoy them and don’t want to derive such a taste from animal exploitation.
May I ask: Are you vegan? If so, why push what I can only interpret as concern trolling?
“Fake” carries negative connotations, like what is my burger made of styrofoam or something?
“The librls are tryin’a make you drink plant based beer!”
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taste like meat
Something doesn’t have to “taste like meat” to taste good.
looks revolting
Something doesn’t have to look pleasant to taste good, and even then, both looks and taste are subjective.
In essence, all you’re asking is “I don’t get why some people like a certain kind of food item that I don’t.” I’m sure you can figure that out with enough thought.
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This scenario, however, still remains a false equivalence. Whether or not I’d like a “lab-grown carrot” is context-dependent, and the main context that it significantly depends on is if it tastes good for whatever culinary purpose I want it to serve personally. Also, there is no reason why I need a mock carrot because carrots are not unethical foods to consume anyway, so the context of why I’d even be willing to eat lab-grown carrots over just carrots being omitted from consideration doesn’t help this analogy either.
Plenty of plant-based alternatives can serve a culinary purpose similar to their animal-based counterpart, even if the taste isn’t a 1:1 comparison. Hell, some plant-based alternatives are not even specifically striving to taste similar to their animal-based counterparts. For example, black bean burgers and portobello mushroom burgers taste nothing like any meat-based burger, but they’re still highly favored by vegans. It’s almost as if there are no actual, real, non-arbitrary rules as to what “role” the taste of a certain type of food is supposed to serve.
Besides, this carnist concern trolling is against the rules of both this community and Hexbear in its entirety, so if a post in a vegan-specific community is getting you all to be so upset that you have to make bad faith comments that are merely done as a coping mechanism for your inability to grasp with the fact that people seek ethical alternatives to your murdered-based “delights,” then it’s only for your own good that I take such rules to their logical conclusion. Nobody would go this length to screech about a turkey burger even if they much prefer beef, but that’s because you’re not tilted by something being made with a lean protein instead of red meat because there’s no ethical deviation going on there. However, you are all most certainly tilted by people going through measures to actually avoid the animal exploitation that you have no proper logical justification for funding every single day. It hits you in a way that you need to shit out the most zealous efforts to complain about these plant-based alternatives that you wouldn’t do with literally any other subject.
I think it is fair to call a food item fake if it is a vegan option that has the animal/animal product name on it. For example, it is fair to call vegan chicken wings “fake” chicken wings, because there is no chicken in it. However, for a generic item like a sausage, it just has to be some kind of processed protein in roughly cylindrical shape. Vegan sausage is not a fake sausage. You can call vegan cheese fake cheese, because there is no cheese, but you cannot call vegan pizza fake pizza, like dude you can eat it, it is a real pizza.
You can call vegan cheese fake cheese, because there is no cheese, but you cannot call vegan pizza fake pizza, like dude you can eat it, it is a real pizza.
I don’t know why but this has me cracking up 😆. I think it’s just the philosophy of it all but it got it me. Got me thinking about the reality or unreality of pizza.
.The hyperreality of pizza
sure, but if the person knows you’re vegan, i feel it is already implied with context. i get this notion though if the person may not know you’re vegan
I’m special because something suffered to feed me and you can’t take that from me with your food that didn’t suffer because then my masculinity will be hurt.
- these people
People’s relationship to “real” food is very strange. Vegan alternatives are often clowned out for having additives and stuff (which are usually just regular nuts, veggies, beans or some sort of nut/veggie/bean byproduct) and it’s “fake”. Carnist foods are also full of additives and stuff (though its often just preservative chemicals or corn, it’s always corn) and it’s “real”. Also I think it’s very strange that inventive alternatives are seen as “fake”/“not real”, like sour cream from a coconut is just kinda rad as hell to me.
I would have more respect for carnist if they had the courage to actually understand their consumption and go to butcher. Totally not saying it’s okay or advocating anything like that, more so I’m saying I wish they didn’t have the shield of all systems that obfuscate the animal flesh they consume. They just get their sour cream from store and either actively choose not to think or, to be sort of fair to people, are so conditioned by the various systems of power to not think about how anything they eat is made. It’s “real” to them because they don’t have to ever think about what makes it “real”. Which is both astoundingly lazy and astonishingly cowardly if you ask me.
I have a relative that always says this and it does get grating.
Is there any reason you can’t just say vegan or veggie as the prefix here? I don’t like ambiguity with foods, especially when it’s concerning like labels, health info, menus, recipes (usually not a problem), etc.
When you’ve been vegan for ten years and every time you say something like “I had sushi last night” and they say “Sushi??!? With fish?? I thought you didn’t eat fish?” It’s exhausting.
Then when you prefix everything with “vegan” you’re “preaching” so there’s really no winning
Yep, this is it mostly
I just shrug and say I need to eat it or else my hereditary cholesterol issue gets much worse.
Friend, your dad is a bitch and if you give me his address I have 0 problems catching a charge by breaking his jaw~
