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Being Spanish this is specially true. “My” traditions are of torturing a bull inside a ring in front of an audience, so FUCK those traditions.
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Are you vegan?
Just gonna casually use this moment as an excuse to show off my people’s traditional foods
Manoomin (wild rice)
Three sisters, squash,
and 
It makes sense to me that, as someone with no context for someone else’s cultural practices, I’m probably not the best person to advocate for change in that specific situation.
The most prolific forms of animal agriculture are obviously more destructive to culture and human life than almost anything on this planet. “The west wasn’t won on salads” as they say. So anyone in a moral panic over culturally insensitive vegans doesn’t actually care.
Capitalism, colonialism, and wars of aggression are all core pillars of American culture, but nobody on Hexbear would say you’re obligated to respect that.
I always found this argument silly because there has never been a truly vegan culture in this planet’s history anyway.
Even if there were, what this post is saying applies.
If it’s a sustainable practice that is in balance with nature, I keep my mouth shut. It’s incredibly rare and only practiced by small groups who are almost always disadvantaged afaik.
If the “family traditions” are simply exploitative and unsustainable modern animal agriculture, then I tend to feel fine speaking up.
I’ve seen attacks on indigenous practices that I don’t agree with - I figure, why not go pick on mass ag instead where the suffering is unfathomable. (edit: but I won’t tone police others.) On the other hand, I’ve also seen people claim the modern WASP diet of farmed steaks 5 nights a week is their ancestor’s typical diet.
I don’t want to play judge so I just focus on the immorality and unsustainability of exploitative mass animal agriculture and leave it at that. I figure it’s hard to be insensitive to long-standing traditions when I’m only criticizing a development that occurred in the past 100 years.
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I didn’t see anything racist. What do you mean?
I’ve never heard of this actually being said by someone arguing with a vegan in good faith. They always say “so are you going to tell the native Americans to stop their cultural hunting practices?” when I’m asking a fellow
to please just buy beans at Walmart instead. They point to like a single person on Twitter who comments about Inuit seal hunting and think that means vegans are targeting indigenous groups in any sort of coordinated campaign.They love to tokenize POC, and they also try to conveniently forget that vegan POC exist.
I talked to a carnist who told me that “for vegans to say that eating animals is wrong is to say that ALL Indigenous people are doing something morally wrong, so vegans are inherently anti-Indigenous.” Notice how I emphasized the word “all” because this carnist actually used the word “all,” signaling that they believe that Indigenous vegans do not exist. An Indigenous vegan friend of mine proceeded to respond with how they find that to be the truly disgustingly anti-Indigenous thing to say, but they just neglect that and accuse us vegans of color as being “tokens” for white vegans and “enablers of white supremacy.”
I had a similar experience when I, a black vegan, agreed with a white vegan on the use of the term “animal slavery.”
Good faith question: who is quoted saying culture dictates morality?
You hear it argued in religious groups. “God gave us meat to eat so that is a reason to consume it” Another common one is something of the lines of “it is thanksgiving tradition to eat turkey” Edit: expanded my answer/ example
God also gave us cornbread and beans. Heh. Beans.
Oh, I hadn’t heard it put that way. Didn’t come up around a lot of religion.
Did anyone say specifically that culture dictates morality? I don’t see how a deity’s instructions are similar to a societal convention.
I hear it a lot in the south of the united states in the Bible belt, i have heard it on debates with earthling ed too.
edgy voice: actually God didn’t give us anything
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