It’s not a question of “instigation”, it’s a question of transitioning from offensive words to violence, plus the actual issuing of death threats.
Unless you think the UNICEF people (all of whom are smaller in stature) started the violence, this guy is the one who started the violence which in a normal society is the kind of things that criminals do. Him chosing death threats (literally “I’ll kill you!”) rather than non-deadly threats is also highly abnormal (well, maybe not in his society) in that is far more extreme than even a common violent drunk would do (at least here in Europe).
In your group effort to excuse the actions of this guys, you just come out as desperatelly trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
Like I said, not excusing that and he should be arrested.
However before you go farther than what is justified by the context given, ask yourself what you’re assuming about that’s context and how it could change
Context in this situation would only matter in the size of the sentence in a Court of Law.
His action were straighforward Assault, a Crime.
As I said, it’s the transition from words to violence that make it Assault.
Further, you can see him using violence against a guy who is just standing there and not using violence against him (the head butt) as well as against a guy who is actually trying to escape him who he tries to trip and pursues into the store, all of which are most definitelly Attack not Defense.
And all this is assuming you can’t just read the body language of the guy and the other people around him - you can easilly see the others are cowering and he’s attacking not defending himself.
Last but not least the thing that triggered him was clearly the word “Palestine” as shown by him threathening other people with death if they say that word.
You’re doing Narnia-levels of fantasising to excuse a guy who is acting in a pretty straightforward violent bully style and who is triggered into violence by the word “Palestine”, which is not normal unless that person’s a Neue-Nazi.
No. I’m entirely agreeing that there is one person threatening violence here and he deserves to be arrested.
However I’m disagreeing with people here jumping to all sorts of craziness calling him a nazi and child murderer. I suppose he could be and hope that’s investigated by the officers that should arrest him, but it’s not supported by anything we see
On first sight (because clearly the word “Palestine” has triggered him and he’s only assaulting people who are chuggers for the UN aid agency) seems to be a violent Zionist nutter (and the violence too is consistent with being an ethno-Fascist), but what we see in that video is not sufficient for people to be certain of it, only at most to think it’s likely.
It’s not a question of “instigation”, it’s a question of transitioning from offensive words to violence, plus the actual issuing of death threats.
Unless you think the UNICEF people (all of whom are smaller in stature) started the violence, this guy is the one who started the violence which in a normal society is the kind of things that criminals do. Him chosing death threats (literally “I’ll kill you!”) rather than non-deadly threats is also highly abnormal (well, maybe not in his society) in that is far more extreme than even a common violent drunk would do (at least here in Europe).
In your group effort to excuse the actions of this guys, you just come out as desperatelly trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
Like I said, not excusing that and he should be arrested.
However before you go farther than what is justified by the context given, ask yourself what you’re assuming about that’s context and how it could change
Context in this situation would only matter in the size of the sentence in a Court of Law.
His action were straighforward Assault, a Crime.
As I said, it’s the transition from words to violence that make it Assault.
Further, you can see him using violence against a guy who is just standing there and not using violence against him (the head butt) as well as against a guy who is actually trying to escape him who he tries to trip and pursues into the store, all of which are most definitelly Attack not Defense.
And all this is assuming you can’t just read the body language of the guy and the other people around him - you can easilly see the others are cowering and he’s attacking not defending himself.
Last but not least the thing that triggered him was clearly the word “Palestine” as shown by him threathening other people with death if they say that word.
You’re doing Narnia-levels of fantasising to excuse a guy who is acting in a pretty straightforward violent bully style and who is triggered into violence by the word “Palestine”, which is not normal unless that person’s a Neue-Nazi.
No. I’m entirely agreeing that there is one person threatening violence here and he deserves to be arrested.
However I’m disagreeing with people here jumping to all sorts of craziness calling him a nazi and child murderer. I suppose he could be and hope that’s investigated by the officers that should arrest him, but it’s not supported by anything we see
Yeah, ok, I agree with that.
On first sight (because clearly the word “Palestine” has triggered him and he’s only assaulting people who are chuggers for the UN aid agency) seems to be a violent Zionist nutter (and the violence too is consistent with being an ethno-Fascist), but what we see in that video is not sufficient for people to be certain of it, only at most to think it’s likely.