• Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    30·
    1 year ago

    You can but it’s exceedingly unlikely because your own material interest is tied to these things:

    • Ever-increasing land values (largely financial speculation and the creation of housing-limiting regimes).

    • Private ownership of housing as a profit-generating asset (commodity) rather than a human right.

    • State violence in the form of the police, who function to protect private property interests.

    • The direct extraction of working people’s money simply because you have more than they do. You could afford the down payment, they could not. Now they pay for your mortgage and more simply because they are poorer.

    • Landlords are traditionally shitty people that think of others, particularly their renters, as trying to pull one over on them.

    • CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      You can but it’s exceedingly unlikely because your own material interest is tied to these things:

      People are more complicated then that, you really think this is an accurate point of view?

      • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        30·
        1 year ago

        You ever seen someone get evicted, or get evicted yourself?

        That’s a landlord showing you how much humanity corroded by those material intersests.

        It kills people.

        • CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Two issues I have with what you’re saying, this is a generalization being used to judge an individual, and materialism isn’t incompatible with being left leaning. Do you not have possessions or income?

          • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            25·
            1 year ago

            Around these parts, when you see the word “materialism”, it’s being used in the philosophical sense, rather than the common usage.

            Materialism is a set of related theories which hold that all entities and processes are composed of – or are reducible to – matter, material forces or physical processes. All events and facts are explainable, actually or in principle, in terms of body, material objects or dynamic material changes or movements. In general, the metaphysical theory of materialism entails the denial of the reality of spiritual beings, consciousness and mental or psychic states or processes, as ontologically distinct from, or independent of, material changes or processes.

            Taken from the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy: https://www.rep.routledge.com/articles/thematic/materialism/v-1

          • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            20·
            1 year ago

            There are other meanings for the word material, ha. Material interest means they get stuff that benefits them if they act a certain way. It is in your material interest to own a house so that you can have housing security. It is in a landlord’s interest that you rent from them instead, and for as much as you’ll pay.

            And there’s nothing wrong with judging individuals based on what they choose to do with their lives. There are activities and professions (not that landlording is a profession) that are inherently extractive and detrimental and that nobody is forced to do. For example, working as a mercenary.

            • CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              There are other meanings for the word material, ha. Material interest means they get stuff that benefits them if they act a certain way. It is in your material interest to own a house so that you can have housing security. It is in a landlord’s interest that you rent from them instead, and for as much as you’ll pay.

              Okay, don’t answer my question.

              And there’s nothing wrong with judging individuals based on what they choose to do with their lives.

              Factually it’s wrong. You’re judging them by the associations of what they choose to do with their lives, not the actuality.

              Thank you for the insight.

              • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                12·
                1 year ago

                Okay, don’t answer my question.

                Your question was based on a misunderstanding of what I meant by materialism and therefore irrelevent. I would also assumes it was rhetorical.

                Did you, at any point, consider engaging with what I said and addressing it? You’re going in a bad faith direction.

                Factually it’s wrong.

                What facts are incorrect?

                You’re judging them by the associations of what they choose to do with their lives, not the actuality.

                It’s not an association it’s owning housing and renting it to other people to make a profit. That’s an economic and social activity. This is obvious, but you seem to be struggling with being wrong.

                • CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  Your question was based on a misunderstanding of what I meant by materialism and therefore irrelevent. I would also assumes it was rhetorical.

                  I think it’s relevant, if you don’t want to answer that’s your choice.

                  Did you, at any point, consider engaging with what I said and addressing it? You’re going in a bad faith direction.

                  I’ve engaged with your comments as I’ve felt fit, if you feel that’s taking things in a bad faith direction those are your feelings not something coming from me.

                  We should just stop here though because I’ve already gotten the explanations I was looking for, and my goal wasn’t up get into a slap fight.