• Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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    13 days ago

    Here’s the thing. If the Left doesn’t vote, they look at the people who do vote.

    I was educated by some old school Communists; folks who actually were in Spain fighting Franco and who got blacklisted in the 1950s.

    One story they always told was that in 1968 a lot of young radicals were saying that Humphrey was as bad as Nixon and they would never vote for him

    The folks who had been around told the non-voters that Nixon was truly terrible and that they should do what they could to defeat him.

    I’ve yet to see an election where the Left sat by idly and got anything good.

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      13 days ago

      Here’s the thing. If the Left doesn’t vote, they look at the people who do vote.

      That’s just gaslighting. Black people are the single most reliable dem voting bloc, and get fuckall from the dems, but are still blamed when they lose.

      Meanwhile, republicans vote for republicans. 5% of dem votes in 2024 came from registered republicans, down from 6% in 2020.

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        13 days ago

        I’ve yet to see an election where the Left sat by idly and got anything good.

        That’s the main point. But please, prove me wrong. Show me a time the Right won big and the Left benefitted.

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          13 days ago

          My argument isn’t a prescription of “the left shouldn’t vote”, it’s observations that “the left has absolutely nothing to do with the dems moving to the right” and “when the dems move to the right, they perform worse”

          The dems go to the right because left policies hurt their corporate benefactors. Everything else is a post-hoc justification.

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            Look up Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority.

            They had a simple program to purge the GOP of anyone they didn’t like. They would show up at every local GOP event with enough people to get their way on any issue. If twenty people had gone to the clubhouse the last time they’d had to pick the new county clerk, the MMs would show up with fifty.

            Pretty soon those county clerks and sheriffs were Congress members. All it took was some on the ground organizing.

            AOC and Omar did it.

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              13 days ago

              Aren’t you proving his point by pointing at AOC and Omar? AOC and Omar are proof leftist policies are popular and when you compare their stance on the economy, immigration and Isreal, they’re on opposite ends. A and O are pro-worker, Harris ran pro-business. A O don’t want strong border control, Harris ran on stronger border control. A O wanted to stop the support for Israel, Harris toed the party line of doing nothing.

              AOC and Omar are proof that there is a left demographic to appeal to. Harris’s campaign is proof the DNC would rather appeal to the right. The election is proof appealing to the right doesn’t work.

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                13 days ago

                Please re-read what I wrote.

                I said that if you want people like AOC you have to go out and work inside the Democratic Party exactly like she did.