Being horny for Astarion has made players better at the Rogue class in regular D&D
Meanwhile everybody won’t know how to play Cleric outside of Life Domain.
sheds tear in Spiritual Weapon and Spirit Guardians
…but those spells aren’t unique to Life Domain Clerics? Every Cleric gets those spells.
Nah, meant moreso that clerics would be relegated to healbots versus the divine fury they can deliver
Life Domain is pretty good because you can get the healing spells for free then be more flexible.
I figured it’d be the opposite since potions are so much stronger in bg3. The ability to throw potions makes anyone a bit of a healer, multiattack even lets you throw two. Plus, being able to use one as a bonus action let’s people take care of themselves a bit better.
It also helps that the default cleric (Shadowheart) isn’t life so someone would have to specifically roll one.
You can reroll companions. Shadowheart has been Life since like lvl 6 for me. The change, if you do it later in ger story, also makes sense for her.
Ooooooh I should do that!
I’ve never player D&D and Shadowheart seemed to really not doing much on the healing side.
Never thought it was linked to a choice/subclass nor to reroll her.
I know what I’ll do this evening, thanks!
Ah, I gotcha. I don’t think I’ve played a 5E game where the cleric is a healer. Oddly enough the Paladin is more of a healer since Lay on Hands is “free” (aka not a spell slot).
Probably because, especially at lower levels, it’s a “wasted” action and spell slot. Enemy hits for 5 damage, you heal 5 health.
Prayer of healing is the only healing spell worth casting and its out of combat spell
The game gives you so many healing potions, it’s hardly worth casting even that. Healing word is actually worth casting though, both in this game and in tabletop. Picking up downed allies at range as a bonus action is very good.
I find my cleric being a heal battery in this game more than 5th edition.
Nothing wrong with that, but a party without a designated healer seems to suffer in this game.
I don’t play DND (always wanted to, though!), but in BG3 those two spells have been complete lifesavers. Especially Spirit Guardians in Act 2.
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That’s the joke?
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Spoilers, except I hear they patched that. 🤪
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Honestly I think I relearning cleric wrong. As I drag out the encounters and not resting as often as I would in a dnd adventure or lacking the normal expected encounters a day.
I turn my cleric more from utility class with some rare heal sprinkled in between to someone who except for spiritual weapons, spirit guardians CC only a heal bot.
Does spiritual weapon scale ever? It’s still a level 2 spell and I’m level 10 now… it misses most of the time and does like, 5 damage to 80+ hp enemies…
You can upcast it for more damage. It gets 1d8 every 2 levels of upcast. But there are much better uses of your higher spellslots, like Spirit Guardians. As for missing, the attack roll is based on your spellcasting modifier. At level 10, you should have 20 points in Wisdom, which would give a +5 bonus to its attack rolls.
With some exceptions, the only things in dnd (5e) that typically scale with character level are cantrips, class features, and anything that uses your attribute modifers. For spells, you generally either upcast for some improvement, or (more often) use more powerful, higher level spells. But lower level spells can still be useful in their own right, especially if you play the game as intended and don’t long rest excessively, since then you need to manage your resources carefully and higher level spells slots are in shorter supply than lower level ones.
Lol the excerpt is one line of the article that talks much more in depth about it, but it sums it up quite well if you generalise for the whole dnd. xD
And I agree a lot with the article. I would even go farther: the game teaches players about their class and to interact with the world much more proactively, but it also teaches dm a lot imo, about encounter balance, items and what you can do with your campaign.
So of course, the time Astarion finally wants to bang, Minthara already claimed me and I couldn’t get them both at once. 😩
Minthara, though… She was even more upfront and easy than Lae’zel. But holy shit dat ass…
So, no one’s going to discuss the Astarion-shaped elephant in the room, I take it? In this era of conscientious consent, we’re just going to gloss over the serial rapist allegory because he’s part vampire — it’s, what, just his nature? It’s genuinely disappointing that this seems to get downplayed rather than sparking discourse, all due respect. 🤷🏼♂️
This is the weirdest take I’ve seen on Astarion…
He’s not part vampire, he is a vampire. He is definitionally an evil, undead monster.
But also, he’s not a rapist. He never rapes anyone in the game, and he never tries to rape anyone in the game. When he flirts with you, if you turn him down he backs down immediately and accepts that no means no. Hell, when he tries to bite you if you say no he backs down immediately and accepts that no means no too.
You’re also given plenty of chances to kick him out of your party and to even attack him, precisely because he is an evil undead monster. For Astarion to hang around, you have to explicitly allow him to do so.
Call him a monster, call him evil, but comparing him with a rapist is just so far out there and makes no sense at all.
I agree with most of what you said, and would also not call him a rapist, and don’t think he should get quite a pass on the whole “backs down if you say no when you catch him” part.
He’s not stupid and evil, so when his attempted prey wakes up he doesn’t force the issue. He did still try to, somnophiliac-like, literally prey on an unconsenting unconscious person which is bad. He can be forgiven due to circumstance and dialogue, but that’s a choice that I wouldn’t say that a player would be wrong in making as compared to kicking him out.
Serial? He says you’re the first human he ever tried to bite. Everything before he was literally being mind controlled. If you want to compare it to rape that’s fine, he does sneak up on you, but I don’t see how that’s a “serial rapist allegory”
Is there any moment where he rapes anyone?? He tries to bite your neck once, and never again without consent. He speaks flirtatiously because spoilers
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Cazador trained him to do so for 200 years to lure victims, he was a slave not a rapist.
He is pain happy and clearly an evil person by all standards concerning the events that he agrees with, but not a rapist.
I think you’re overthinking it. He’s just a vampire and that’s why he acts kinda rapey without any allegorical implications. Then once you know, it’s less rapey and more… Jeffery Dahmer. The same way Lae’zel seems like a huge bitch because that’s just how the Gityanki are.
what is even that “acts kinda rapey”? I have seen none of it. He is murder happy but nothing that reminds me of rape.
The first encounter where you catch him trying to bite you and the dialogue preceeding it? It’s pretty sexual/date rapey until you figure out he’s a vampire and he’s been alluding to that and not sex. Knowing after the fact doesn’t change the vibe they definitely did on purpose for the less perceptive players that didn’t notice his fangs or the bite marks on his neck. Personally, I found it pretty funny in retrospect. Which I think was what Larian intended more than any sort of social commentary.
Idk, I’ll remind you that you sleep right next to your other 3 companions, rape didn’t even cross my mind, he comes sneaking and you catch him with his fangs out, if I didn’t notice I would think that he is trying to steal something from me since he’s a rogue. I really don’t see that vibe you mention and with the EA I’ve done that scene more than 10 times. Maybe it’s the fact that he gives the vibes of a predator for a moment that made you think that.
I think it’s the way that you find out in game that he’s a vampire, when he creeps up on you for a bite while you’re sleeping.
but… that’s not rape, it’s nothing sexual nor about power not control, it’s just sustenance. I would prefer to use other terms, but in any case, he does that just once and never again, while saying that he acts kinda rapey gives the vibe that it’s something constant. Also they way he acts is not really because of vampirism (well, besides the obvious blood sucking), it’s because he has been a slave for 200 years, trained for deceiving people and bringing pain and suffering, and we know that people that live through those events then without guidance tend to become the perpetrators, which is literally what’s happening to him, he was trained for 200 years to be deceiving, that the pain of others is pleasurable and that control over others is the ultimate goal.
You find him in the sun extatic about the fact that, for the first time in 200 years he can sense the sun and be free. He doesn’t want to help others, he wants to experience LIFE, which for him is what cazador lived as, inflict pain without consequence, gain power for himself, and be free. Once you get to know him, his fear of cazador showing up shows up, with the gur hunter, and he begins to show more aspects of himself, even trying to court you to gain power from it. Then, as he gets to know you and actual feelings being to show up, he stops being so flirtatious and explains why he was doing it, that he has no actual experience in normla relationships and that he wants to explore it slowly, lol.
Anyway, I simp for shart so fuck that guy but he’s no rapist lol.
I simp for shart
Oh fuck no! That’s NOT an acceptable diminutive of Shadowheart! 😮🤣
Tell that to the whole community for the last 2 years
I will if they ask lol. Popularity doesn’t make it right 😂
I mean, I personally don’t think it’s very rapey, but I can see how it can be read that way by others.
That’s if you don’t take him at face value - which would have been a great RP point if it weren’t for the fact feeding literally gives him a “Happy” buff and leaves the other party with a “Bloodless” debuff, and that there’s no visible bite mark on your character unless you let him feed on you iirc. Plus, he makes good on his promise to not sneak around the camp again if you go “oh yeah, no worries dude you could’ve just asked”, so even moreso he seems sincere about only feeding on animals since joining up. If anything, he was acting less like a rapist and more like an addict because he was going through, y’know, literal blood withdrawals.
I swear, that bloodless debuff to rolls is why I meta-gamed and never let him get his stupid teeth near my character again. She’s like, “I mean, it’s not like things can get any weirder and this way he’s not sneaking up on anyone else and getting into a pulp like if he tried that on Lae’zel,” but I was screaming, “You EFFED all my dice rolls, you a-hole!”
Honestly better to just let him kill you. 200g for vampire bite ability & a free face punch for that smarmy lovable asshole. Love him, but felt good.
I let him kill me and I don’t think I got the vampire bite ability, is that through a dialogue option?
Yes
The ability to punch him in the face, directly, without even handing him a warning, is still somehow one of my favorite moments. It is one I reloaded just to do it again. I love him so much, but it really did feel satisfying.
Plus, when he sees your leftovers in the morning, he just goes, “Oh no, something terrible happened!” and then continues walking to his fucking tent. Motherfucker was really going to murder me and just pretend to the whole group that he didn’t know anything about it.
Like yeah, I get it. That’s not only very like him, he’s between a rock and a hard place when it comes to his own survival. From where he’s standing, lying his immaculate ass off is the best chance he’s got. The only chance. But dude. That is a bruise he earned.
I am curious about how they animated that, actually. Did someone really hit the actor in the face? That was pretty well done.
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A lot of people are going to discuss it; it took me all of three minutes to find several articles covering the problematic nature of this fictional character - it’s not a matter glossed over, and I agree with you that it should not be glossed over.
The moral nature is not, however, in any way the subject of the article linked here - its entire premise is “people playing BG3 are getting familiar with more complex D&D rules through the medium of the game”, including Astarion and rogue mechanics. He’s mentioned once in the whole article, to illustrate that folks including him in his party are getting to grips with positioning and bonus action economy of his class.
Trying to cram moral judgement angle into this feels like conversationally lazy whataboutism.
Issa fucking video game 🤣
Next you’re going to tell me we have games where you viciously shoot up humans all day long with nearly infinite ammo!
