• Saleh@feddit.org
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    What did the Arab spring give the people in the end?

    Syria? never ending civil war between factions controlled by foreign interests
    Lybia? never ending civil war between factions controlled by foreign interests
    Tunesia? temporary improvements now to be revoked by a new authoritarian
    Egypt? temporary improvements followed by an US backed coup installing an even worse military dictator

    Maybe we were just naive in thinking that social media back then wasn’t already doing the bidding of governments against people.

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      The conclusion: as soon as a country is destabilized, you can bet your ass the US is going to come in and fuck up any democratic progress in their own favor.

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      One could say the same about the Liberal Revolution of 1848. It failed, and yet it took many years before much of the liberal and progressive values became culturally ingrained.

      “The arc of moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”- Martin Luther King Jr

      Good or bad, that’s why any ideas never die. That’s why the powers-that-be love to censor.

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      Tunesia is the only one with a success story where the mass protests were successful in creating reform (new president and constitution). In the other countries, the mass protests for reform were violently suppressed, and still are in the present day.

      Summary of each country

      What has happened since the so-called Arab Spring? Eight years later, human rights are under attack across the region. Hundreds of thousands of people, many of them children, have been killed during armed conflicts that continue to rage in Syria, Libya, and Yemen. The Syrian conflict has created the largest refugee crisis of the twenty-first century, humanitarian crisis.

      Tunisia is the only relative success story. It has a new constitution, some justice for past crimes, but human rights are still under attack.

      In Egypt, peaceful activists, critics of the government, and many others remain in jail. Torture and other ill treatment are rife. Hundreds have been sentenced to death and tens of thousands put behind bars for protesting or for their alleged links to political opposition. However, we saw that the current president was just authorized to stay in power until 2034.

      In Bahrain, the authorities are silencing dissent.

      Libya has turned into chaos. There are many armed conflicts all across the country, and all sides have committed war crimes and serious human rights abuses.

      In Syria, the region’s bloodiest armed conflict emerged in response to the brutal suppression of mass protests by the government. Atrocious crimes are being committed on a massive scale. Half the population has been displaced.

      Yemen is an ongoing tragedy, with a Saudi Arabia–led coalition (principally with the United Arab Emirates), but with the US supplying arms, providing refueling and intelligence, and so forth. Here’s an interesting Tucson connection. The Emirates just bought $1.6 billion of arms from Raytheon, so the Tucson economy stays strong. The Saudi Arabia–led coalition air strikes and shelling by Houthi forces have killed more than ten thousand civilians, forty thousand wounded. Ten million are now in jeopardy of famine and disease. Some of the attacks amount to war crimes.

      The Arab Spring, which started out as an enormously hopeful movement for progressive change, has now largely been subjected to brutal repression and pushback from the forces of the status quo ante. It represents a poignant and tragic example of social struggle.

      • Consequences of Capitalism - Chapter 6 - Noam Chomsky and Marv Waterstone