How’s he so cool wtf

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    64·
    17 days ago

    Literally every prominent gun person I follow says it’s a normal semi-auto pistol that’s not cycling all the way

    This feels like the NYPD is making stuff up to cover their asses for why they have no clues at all

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
      24·
      17 days ago

      It feels like a game of telephone from “he knew his gun wouldn’t cycle so he was prepared to do it manually” to “his gun was like that on purpose so its extra quiet” and finally "he is using a super special cool gun(that presumably would be so distinctive as to be easier to track.)

      Just from the motion in the video it blatantly does not look like a bolt action being operated, so I can’t imagine it’s the vp9 people are gushing about.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        7·
        17 days ago

        The only pistols like that I know about with integrated suppressors are all bolt action. This gun has a visible slide and a hammer like a semi-auto.

        Edit: apparently there’s a boutique pistol called the Maxim9 that’s semi-auto with an integrated surpressor, but I doubt it’s the same gun.

        I read somewhere that the shell casings found were 9mm, and the Maxim9 seems to be the only pistol with an integrated surpressor that’s chambered for 9mm. Most super silent pistols I know about are .22 or .32 acp

        Some people are saying it’s a welrod, a particularly well known silent pistol used by spies and assassins. Which is even more ludicrous because what did the shooter raid a museum with antique WW2 British commando equipment or something

        • gay_king_prince_charles [she/her, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          5·
          17 days ago

          Not a welrod, but a B&T Station 6 which is a modern version of the Welrod, however, the station 6 requires twising on the slide to cycle, which he didn’t do. It’s probably a normal semi-auto pistol with a homemade suppressor and problems cycling.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        17 days ago

        Yeah that does not look like the shooters gun at all. His gun has a visible slide and a hammer, this VP9 doesn’t have those.

        NYPD trying to make this seem like a bigger operation than it actually was. They don’t want to admit they can’t find a guy who killed someone in broad daylight in midtown Manhattan with a normal Glock.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zipEnglish
      8·
      17 days ago

      Yep, they’re most likely just making shit up, or so incompetent they’re grasping at straws.

      There’s literally no reason to believe that a weapon with a supressor … means its a weapon with an integral (ie, built in) suppressor.

      Tons of standard semi automatic pistols can be purchased with threaded barrels (or you can install an after market threaded barrel) and/or adapters that allow them to work with a seperately acquired suppressor.

      Further, the specific thing they are suggesting is a VP9, which is basically a modern version of the British Welrod, used for special operations / underground resistance in WW2.

      These have basically a knob on the back of the slide, that requires you to turn it either clockwise or counter clockwise, to fully cycle the weapon.

      This knob is not visually apparent in the video.

      The shooter never seems to turn his hand/wrist as one would with this weapon.

      EDIT:

      // You can see that the slide, the whole top part of the handgun moves seperately from the supressor… this doesn’t happen with a VP9.

      You grab the knob, twist it and pull it pack, but it pulls out from inside of the frame of the weapon, looks totally different.

      Applogies for shit tier image but here ya go:

      The frame of a VP 9 / Station 6 / Whatever Welrod Design does not have a slide that makes up the top half of the weapon… it has a frame, and an internal bolt, basically.//

      You can actually rule out a VP9 with the video evidence, jesus christ the NYPD is fucking stupid.

      … Why would you assasinate someone at close range in full view of cameras with an extremely uncommon and expensive weapon… when you could easily use a medley of much more common, less expensive and harder to trace alternatives?

      …

      The most likely explanation is that the guy was using subsonic ammo…

      … (which he could have easily made himself by just getting normal ammo, prying open the cartridges and lowering the amount of gunpowder, then pressing the cartridge back together with a reloading press that costs like $30 on amazon… which actually makes more sense given that he obviously wrote words on the cartridges)…

      … along with a probably older supressor, on basically any compatible semi auto pistol.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        17 days ago

        I saw a lot of people saying he’s using an actual welrod and that’s hilarious to me. Only 14,000 were ever made and the last known use was over 40 years ago. They’re all in museums or collecting dust in storage. If it were an actual welrod someone would be able to figure out which museum piece is missing.

        I do understand the impulse to mythologize this shooting though. It’s the coolest thing to happen in the US in a very long time. We’ve been starved for Ws.

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zipEnglish
          6·
          17 days ago

          The VP9 and Station Six 9 are not literally WW2 Welrods.

          They are basically the exact same design, produced in the modern era by B&T / Station Six, though modernized with minor changes like polymer grips.

          Its like how the Browning 1911 was the US service pistol during WW2, but tons of different modern manufacturers produce modern versions of it.

          Finding an actual working WW2 era Welrod with an intact, functional suppressor would basically be impossible now, as it uses a series of rubber wipes (basically just sheets of rubber) instead of machined baffles that modern suppressors use.

          The rubber would almost certainly be rotted by now.

          … If someone is saying this guy used a literal Welrod, they’re even more stupid than the NYPD, who are almost certainly implying a VP9 or Station Six 9.

    • Redcuban1959 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      4·
      17 days ago

      NYPD is making shit up to add to the lore, they want to have their own cool antagonist to their city instead of just the usual Far-right terrorists that attack NYC every decade.

  • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    18·
    17 days ago

    Bestowed for the first time in its 165 year history, I am pleased to announce that The Adjuster has earned the John Brown medal for kickass Americans

    (exaggerating for effect, I don’t mean to diminish the actions/efforts of any of the excellent people who would also deserve such an award)

  • Crucible [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    11·
    17 days ago

    This just reads as a preemptive way to not ‘have’ to ban normal pistols- ‘actually, this was a specific, rare gun, not the normal, safe, guns which protect CEOs instead of harming them’

  • OutrageousHairdo [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    11·
    17 days ago

    This seems very unlikely. A VP is an exotic weapon that would be difficult to obtain, and relatively few gun sellers/distributors would have one in stock. For those wondering, a VP differs from a standard pistol quite significantly. Most ordinary handguns are either slide-based guns or revolvers. If you’ve seen a 1911 or a Beretta or whatever, the slide is just the part at the top of the gun that moves back and forth when you fire, and you all already know what a revolver is. A VP on the other hand is actually neither - while the design resembles one of the slide pistols, it’s completely manually operated, essentially a bolt-action handgun. This is deliberate - the sound of the slide slamming back and forth between shots is actually quite loud once you deal with the noise from the explosion, and the opening where the brass casing is ejected also provides a route for gas to escape the chamber without going through the suppressor, so making it manually operated removes a source of noise. The design is very similar to the Welrod pistol developed for use by British special forces in WW2. Basically I’m saying this is a really weird gun that has very little purpose outside of murking people and it’s very unlikely he had one.
     
    Also worth noting, in regards to US firearms law, suppressed weapons and suppressors join automatic weapons, explosives, anti-material rifles, and sawed off rifles/shotguns as one of the few kinds of firearms that are restricted. You have to register with the government in order to legally purchase one. What does this mean? If this were an ordinary handgun, he could purchase the gun legally without registering and either source a generic suppressor from the black market or manufacture one himself to screw onto the muzzle. The VP however has an integral suppressor - it’s not an addon or accessory, it’s built right into the gun, you can’t get a VP without it. This means you’d have to get the whole unit as a package deal, either from the black market (with great difficulty, as this is an exotic item), by stealing from an existing owner, or by registering and purchasing one legally, which is much more difficult and expensive.