This is just false. Joe Manchin wasn’t the one who “wrote it.” It is a pared-down (yes, partially by Joe Manchin) version of the Build Back Better plan, which President Biden proposed. Lots of Democratic legislators in the House and Senate and their staffers actually wrote the text of the final bill.
Saying Joe Manchin wrote it is not just wrong, it’s egregiously misleading.
LOL yep. I don’t know if I have the honor of being blocked yet myself. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if I was. They’ve spent the last year and a half or more trying to paint Biden as the literal devil. For not using some unknown Presidential Power to waive his hand and end the genocide in Gaza. Because there’s no way on Earth that Congress. The body that approves and appropriates funding for Aid to foreign countries wouldn’t immediately override any such mandate. Or that Netanyahu wouldn’t just tell him to go pound sand.
Biden should have pushed back against it more. Not fast-tracking some of the weapons shipments that he did Etc. And while there are many reasons the Democrats lost including running a shit campaign.
Another rather large reason outside of that is the group of people who hyperfocused and hyperbolically attacked Biden. Even as he tried to bring an end to the genocide in gaza. Leaving many goldfish brained voters to think that Donald Trump was the better candidate. Despite being objectively worse. None of these people will consider that they were manipulated and used. Or are even proud that they were used. Justifying it, in that they maintained their ideological purity.
Biden absolutely should have been clear on that. He absolutely should have spoken out more against it. But if you are surprised that America’s top Diplomat was diplomatic with a black hole Middle East US Ally. Even overly diplomatic. Well that’s on you. We should have never been apart of the theft of Gaza along with Britain and the first place. But that’s been long decided. We should have cut ties with Saudi Arabia a decades ago. America falls short on a lot of metrics. Ironically including the metric system. But that doesn’t mean we cannot acknowledge when they trying to do the right thing even if it’s not the way we want them to.
It is possible to have a role in something without having control. And often it’s those who have a role but not control who can make or break an initiative.
Presidents have the power to put the brakes on legislation and to make suggestions. It’s up to congress to actually write it and refine it.
Same with decriminalization, student loan relief, taxing the wealthy, healthcare reform, requiring a speaking filibuster…
You agree that while Joe Biden couldn’t get the votes, that because a president does have influence, a better president may have been able to?
Because that’s the point. People said Biden would be able to be a good president because presidents just appoint people to do the work. And we all know now what happened with most of Biden’s appointments.
So if a president can accomplish things, that means we shouldn’t run another one in their 70s who just can’t keep up anymore, right?
I’m not just ahitting on a sad geriatric man here, I’m making the point that Biden wasn’t/isn’t up to the task, and we can’t afford another elderly moderate when the president does actually have power and can accomplish things.
Because “a role but no control” just sounds like getting all the honey and none of the bee stings.
Just swooping in to take credit, people generally dislike when upper management does that.
God damn, crap like this is why I hate saying I support progressives. I have to keep reminding myself that Internet progressives, Bernie or bust bros, non-pragmatic jackasses aren’t who most progressives are.
So you blame Obama for being a bad president too since he couldn’t get the public option in?
Do you blame progressives in the party that couldn’t make the case for BBB?
You don’t always get what you want 100% of the time and a decent amount of green energy that was under the BBB did get into the IRA after getting fucked by Manchin and yeah Biden was part of that progress of bringing that asshole to heel.
God, whiney ass progressives that just dismiss the good done for the lack of being perfect just pisses me off so much, stop being the enemy of progress and actually listen to what progressive leaders say and make progressive progress even if it’s just an inch.
Fucks sake, was Biden the best, most progressive president? Fuck no. Could he have some a lot better? Yes. But he did a lot of good, he did advance some progressive ideas, and strengthened the unions a bit.
With that answer I think you’re just a typical crappy Internet progressive.
Clearly you only care about your team, your ideological purity, and not making actual progress, you don’t care about complexity or how shit actually works in real life and don’t actually want to put any real effort in making change.
Why is Biden getting credit for not vetoing something, when his biggest excuse for everything else is “presidents can’t do legislation”?
I just don’t understand giving Biden credit for everything, but zero blame for things that don’t happen.
Either Biden has no role so we can’t blame him, or he has control so he gets credit.
This is just false. Joe Manchin wasn’t the one who “wrote it.” It is a pared-down (yes, partially by Joe Manchin) version of the Build Back Better plan, which President Biden proposed. Lots of Democratic legislators in the House and Senate and their staffers actually wrote the text of the final bill.
Saying Joe Manchin wrote it is not just wrong, it’s egregiously misleading.
Poster usually does that so they can spin their own fucked up narrative. Guy has got me blocked for pointing shit out like that.
LOL yep. I don’t know if I have the honor of being blocked yet myself. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if I was. They’ve spent the last year and a half or more trying to paint Biden as the literal devil. For not using some unknown Presidential Power to waive his hand and end the genocide in Gaza. Because there’s no way on Earth that Congress. The body that approves and appropriates funding for Aid to foreign countries wouldn’t immediately override any such mandate. Or that Netanyahu wouldn’t just tell him to go pound sand.
Biden should have pushed back against it more. Not fast-tracking some of the weapons shipments that he did Etc. And while there are many reasons the Democrats lost including running a shit campaign.
Another rather large reason outside of that is the group of people who hyperfocused and hyperbolically attacked Biden. Even as he tried to bring an end to the genocide in gaza. Leaving many goldfish brained voters to think that Donald Trump was the better candidate. Despite being objectively worse. None of these people will consider that they were manipulated and used. Or are even proud that they were used. Justifying it, in that they maintained their ideological purity.
Um how exactly? He has never even admitted anything close to it actually being a genocide.
Biden absolutely should have recognized it as a genocide. And had the US not veto all the United Nations resolutions against it. Just because he didn’t recognize that it was a genocide doesn’t mean he did nothing. That’s just more of the false narrative that helped Donald Trump get elected.
Biden absolutely should have been clear on that. He absolutely should have spoken out more against it. But if you are surprised that America’s top Diplomat was diplomatic with a black hole Middle East US Ally. Even overly diplomatic. Well that’s on you. We should have never been apart of the theft of Gaza along with Britain and the first place. But that’s been long decided. We should have cut ties with Saudi Arabia a decades ago. America falls short on a lot of metrics. Ironically including the metric system. But that doesn’t mean we cannot acknowledge when they trying to do the right thing even if it’s not the way we want them to.
User tags are useful for remembering trolls. Thanks for the service pointing them out.
It is possible to have a role in something without having control. And often it’s those who have a role but not control who can make or break an initiative.
Presidents have the power to put the brakes on legislation and to make suggestions. It’s up to congress to actually write it and refine it.
So Build Back Better not going thru…
That’s a failure on Biden or no?
Same with decriminalization, student loan relief, taxing the wealthy, healthcare reform, requiring a speaking filibuster…
You agree that while Joe Biden couldn’t get the votes, that because a president does have influence, a better president may have been able to?
Because that’s the point. People said Biden would be able to be a good president because presidents just appoint people to do the work. And we all know now what happened with most of Biden’s appointments.
So if a president can accomplish things, that means we shouldn’t run another one in their 70s who just can’t keep up anymore, right?
I’m not just ahitting on a sad geriatric man here, I’m making the point that Biden wasn’t/isn’t up to the task, and we can’t afford another elderly moderate when the president does actually have power and can accomplish things.
Because “a role but no control” just sounds like getting all the honey and none of the bee stings.
Just swooping in to take credit, people generally dislike when upper management does that.
God damn, crap like this is why I hate saying I support progressives. I have to keep reminding myself that Internet progressives, Bernie or bust bros, non-pragmatic jackasses aren’t who most progressives are.
So you blame Obama for being a bad president too since he couldn’t get the public option in?
Do you blame progressives in the party that couldn’t make the case for BBB?
You don’t always get what you want 100% of the time and a decent amount of green energy that was under the BBB did get into the IRA after getting fucked by Manchin and yeah Biden was part of that progress of bringing that asshole to heel.
God, whiney ass progressives that just dismiss the good done for the lack of being perfect just pisses me off so much, stop being the enemy of progress and actually listen to what progressive leaders say and make progressive progress even if it’s just an inch.
Fucks sake, was Biden the best, most progressive president? Fuck no. Could he have some a lot better? Yes. But he did a lot of good, he did advance some progressive ideas, and strengthened the unions a bit.
Yeah, and for a lot of other stuff…
I think that’s the confusion and why you’re so upset with progressives.
It is a lot more complicated than cheering your “team” and booing everyone else. When things get complicated, frustration is a natural reaction.
With that answer I think you’re just a typical crappy Internet progressive.
Clearly you only care about your team, your ideological purity, and not making actual progress, you don’t care about complexity or how shit actually works in real life and don’t actually want to put any real effort in making change.
Have a good day.
Everyone note the lack of understanding and remember the username.