What attitude? There is no attitude, just reality that some folks can’t face. It’s like every damn election people think third parties are a new idea, or that this time they will work. It’s not undying loyalty to want to oust party leadership, it’s just a better strategy.
It’s not a strategy that will ever lead anywhere. The Democratic party is the death of any kind of leftward movement, and it is specifically designed to work this way. You’ll never change it from the inside, and every bit of effort you spend trying to reform it because it’s the “better strategy” would be better spent on building parallel power structures: unions that are independent from either major party, communist parties, mutual aid orgs, community defense orgs in minority communities, bail funds, etc. Because those things won’t win elections but they will create the conditions under which transformative change can take place. I would hope that the genocide in Gaza should illustrate the necessity for abandoning the Democratic party and adopting an entirely different strategy.
This discussion is about electoral strategy, which is one small aspect of political activism. All that other stuff is critically important too, and every one of them just got harder when Trump won. I don’t think the effort would have been “wasted” if a lot more people showed up to vote to keep Trump out of the Whitehouse.
Your electoral arguments are all empty rhetoric. Not one of them is based on reality, or even tries to be. It’s all hand waving, like the left wing version of reactionary politics.
The genocide in Gaza has nothing to do with the “Democratic Party” and everything to do with the people running it. The party itself is an empty shell, but it’s an empty shell that maintains a tremendous amount of loyalty across this country that you have zero strategies to break. These diatribes have been exactly the same for decades.
I’m a rebel by nature. I love the underdog and I love clever strategies that catch Goliath by surprise. I hate the Democratic establishment with a passion and if made god-emperor of America I would gladly see the Clinton’s, Obama, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, and a lot of other Democrats do jail time. I should be your easiest convert, and you aren’t even getting close. How the fuck are you going to convince the suburban hordes, the black churches, the union members, and the millions of Americans who put maybe a few minutes a year into thinking about politics? What will you do differently than has been tried for decades?
Your electoral arguments are all empty rhetoric. Not one of them is based on reality
Since Occupy, what success has there been at carving out a space for leftists within the Democratic party? Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, AOC, and Jamaal Bowman. AOC couldn’t be brought to call the genocide in Gaza a genocide until a few months before the ceasefire, and her support of Biden until the last minute just shows that she’s a lot more concerned with her personal career than doing her job as a “progressive” (meaningless term! and she still can’t live up to it). Ilhan Omar and Jamaal Bowman were better at running opposition against the genocide but still were trapped within a party that is beholden to corporate interests more than anything else, so it was only Tlaib that ever actually said anything directly to Netanyahu. And all of this is just symbolic actions, because they’re powerless. To make matters worse, these are your most “progressive” figures in congress, and they’ll still bend the knee on every other foreign policy issue: they’ll go along with the Uyghur genocide claims, call Maduro a dictator, say almost nothing about the Cuban embargo unless Trump just put them back on the list (gotta #resist queens!), support regime change in Iran, etc etc. So there is no left in the Democratic party, there are only some figureheads that make “progressive” Americans feel like their job is done when they don’t represent any kind of threat or hold any kind of power. It’s an illusion, and you’d be much better off without these clowns at all so that regular Americans didn’t falsely believe they had someone in there fighting for them when the truth is they’re 100% on their own until they pick up a gun and join a union.
Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, AOC, and Jamaal Bowman couldn’t be brought to call the genocide in Gaza a genocide
What the fuckity fuck does that have to do with inside vs outside electoral strategy?
trapped within a party that is beholden to corporate interest
Trapped within a SYSTEM that is beholden to corporate interests. You don’t get to dodge that bullet when running under a different party’s banner. In fact, you make it even easier for corporate media to shut you out.
these are your most “progressive” figures in congress
And, who are YOUR figures in Congress?! Oh wait you don’t have any. Well, that sure does make it hard to criticize them.
…until they pick up a gun and join a union.
Union membership shot up under Biden’s pro-union labor department. Now that the labor department answers to Elon Musk, how do you think that will impact union membership?
If it comes down to picking up guns, I’d much rather be facing a liberal police force that at least tries to look like they respect constitutional protections. That’s not what you will get from Trump.
We are in no way better off today because Trump won. Not politically, and certainly not in policy. All of your hand waving has still not even approached a discussion of how a third party strategy would work any better than all the deficiencies you rightly call out about the Democrats.
What attitude? There is no attitude, just reality that some folks can’t face. It’s like every damn election people think third parties are a new idea, or that this time they will work. It’s not undying loyalty to want to oust party leadership, it’s just a better strategy.
It’s not a strategy that will ever lead anywhere. The Democratic party is the death of any kind of leftward movement, and it is specifically designed to work this way. You’ll never change it from the inside, and every bit of effort you spend trying to reform it because it’s the “better strategy” would be better spent on building parallel power structures: unions that are independent from either major party, communist parties, mutual aid orgs, community defense orgs in minority communities, bail funds, etc. Because those things won’t win elections but they will create the conditions under which transformative change can take place. I would hope that the genocide in Gaza should illustrate the necessity for abandoning the Democratic party and adopting an entirely different strategy.
This discussion is about electoral strategy, which is one small aspect of political activism. All that other stuff is critically important too, and every one of them just got harder when Trump won. I don’t think the effort would have been “wasted” if a lot more people showed up to vote to keep Trump out of the Whitehouse.
Your electoral arguments are all empty rhetoric. Not one of them is based on reality, or even tries to be. It’s all hand waving, like the left wing version of reactionary politics.
The genocide in Gaza has nothing to do with the “Democratic Party” and everything to do with the people running it. The party itself is an empty shell, but it’s an empty shell that maintains a tremendous amount of loyalty across this country that you have zero strategies to break. These diatribes have been exactly the same for decades.
I’m a rebel by nature. I love the underdog and I love clever strategies that catch Goliath by surprise. I hate the Democratic establishment with a passion and if made god-emperor of America I would gladly see the Clinton’s, Obama, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, and a lot of other Democrats do jail time. I should be your easiest convert, and you aren’t even getting close. How the fuck are you going to convince the suburban hordes, the black churches, the union members, and the millions of Americans who put maybe a few minutes a year into thinking about politics? What will you do differently than has been tried for decades?
Since Occupy, what success has there been at carving out a space for leftists within the Democratic party? Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, AOC, and Jamaal Bowman. AOC couldn’t be brought to call the genocide in Gaza a genocide until a few months before the ceasefire, and her support of Biden until the last minute just shows that she’s a lot more concerned with her personal career than doing her job as a “progressive” (meaningless term! and she still can’t live up to it). Ilhan Omar and Jamaal Bowman were better at running opposition against the genocide but still were trapped within a party that is beholden to corporate interests more than anything else, so it was only Tlaib that ever actually said anything directly to Netanyahu. And all of this is just symbolic actions, because they’re powerless. To make matters worse, these are your most “progressive” figures in congress, and they’ll still bend the knee on every other foreign policy issue: they’ll go along with the Uyghur genocide claims, call Maduro a dictator, say almost nothing about the Cuban embargo unless Trump just put them back on the list (gotta #resist queens!), support regime change in Iran, etc etc. So there is no left in the Democratic party, there are only some figureheads that make “progressive” Americans feel like their job is done when they don’t represent any kind of threat or hold any kind of power. It’s an illusion, and you’d be much better off without these clowns at all so that regular Americans didn’t falsely believe they had someone in there fighting for them when the truth is they’re 100% on their own until they pick up a gun and join a union.
What the fuckity fuck does that have to do with inside vs outside electoral strategy?
Trapped within a SYSTEM that is beholden to corporate interests. You don’t get to dodge that bullet when running under a different party’s banner. In fact, you make it even easier for corporate media to shut you out.
And, who are YOUR figures in Congress?! Oh wait you don’t have any. Well, that sure does make it hard to criticize them.
Union membership shot up under Biden’s pro-union labor department. Now that the labor department answers to Elon Musk, how do you think that will impact union membership?
If it comes down to picking up guns, I’d much rather be facing a liberal police force that at least tries to look like they respect constitutional protections. That’s not what you will get from Trump.
We are in no way better off today because Trump won. Not politically, and certainly not in policy. All of your hand waving has still not even approached a discussion of how a third party strategy would work any better than all the deficiencies you rightly call out about the Democrats.