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    Second observation is that when a thing gets cheaper itā€™s used more, i.e. theyā€™ll be pushing even harded to shove it into everything.

    Are they trying to imply that when they will make it cheaper by shoving it everywhere? I honestly canā€™t see how that logic is holding together

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      as I read it, itā€™s an attempt at reference to economy of scale under the thesis ā€œAI silicon will keep getting cheaper because more and more people will produce itā€ as the main underpinning for how to reduce their unit economics. which, yā€™know, great! thatā€™s exactly what people like to hear about manufacturing and such! lovely! itā€™s only expensive because itā€™s the start! oh, the woe of the inventor, the hard and expensive path of the start!

      except that doesnā€™t hold up in any reasonable manner.

      theyā€™re not using J Random GPU, theyā€™re using top-end purpose-focused shit thatā€™s come into existing literally as co-evolution feedback from the fucking industry that is using it. even some hypothetical path where we do just suddenly have a glut of cheap model-training silicon everywhere, imo itā€™s far far far more likely to be an esp32 situation than a ā€œyeah this gtx17900 cost me like 20 bucksā€ situation. even the ā€œconsumer high endā€ of ā€œsure your phone has a gpu in itā€ is still very suboptimal for doing the kind of shit theyā€™re doing (even if you could probably make a great cursed project out of a cluster of phones doing model training or whatever)

      falls into the same vein of shit as ā€œa few thousand daysā€ imo - something thatā€™s a great soundbite, easily digestible market speak, but if you actually look at the substance itā€™s comprehensive nonsense

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        Yeah, I agree. I think that this argument that is made there is a false. The logic error imo is claiming this statement is true: things get cheaper as they get used more, therefore if we make it used more, it will get cheaper.

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        Could also be donā€™t worry about deepseek type messaging that addresses concerns without naming names, to tell us that a drastic reduction in infrastructure costs was foretold by the writing of St Moore and was thus always inevitable on the way to immanentizing the AGI, į¼€Ī»Ī»Ī·Ī»ĪæĻĻŠĪ±.

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      The surface claim seems to be the opposite, he says that because of Mooreā€™s law AI rates will soon be at least 10x cheaper and because of Mercury in retrograde this will cause usage to increase muchly. I read that as meaning we should expect to see chatbots pushed in even more places they shouldnā€™t be even though their capabilities have already stagnated as per observation one.

      1. The cost to use a given level of AI falls about 10x every 12 months, and lower prices lead to much more use. You can see this in the token cost from GPT-4 in early 2023 to GPT-4o in mid-2024, where the price per token dropped about 150x in that time period. Mooreā€™s law changed the world at 2x every 18 months; this is unbelievably stronger.