Wow, I didn’t think I’d have need to copy / paste a post from thirty seconds ago!
I don’t think you’re as familiar with the meaning of terms as you think. Some people call the NYT left-leaning. They absolutely are not. They are a liberal publication and that has a different meaning.
This is what I meant when I said USA citizens have been corrupted by decades of propaganda. Conservative idiots genuinely believe socialism is about making people eat bugs as opposed to helping people out and doing things for their betterment. And liberals genuinely believe that they are Leftists.
You think liberalism is about those topics but it’s actually about those topics plus corporate greed. I want the last part to go in the trash. So, Woosh bud. You know less than you think you do about political parties.
Can you explain what you mean by this? I don’t see how recognizing the ideological difference between leftism & liberalism makes someone not a leftist… they differ pretty strongly on their central economic thesis, which is sort of a big deal given how influential the economy is in… like literally every area of our society & political systems…
The definition of liberalism is that a person believes in the enshrinement of basic human rights, equality, and equity such that a state or government body cannot infringe upon those rights unless its inaction would be a detriment to the rights of others.
People who oppose liberalism generally conflate liberalism with capitalism and capitalism with western nations. Basically, if you oppose liberals you’re just a piece of shit.
I mean, this is just factually wrong. Usually these days when people refer to liberalism it’s shorthand for neoliberalism & understood as such. The only way you can make the reply you just made in good faith is if you are somehow blissfully unaware of the main tenants of the modern liberal movement for at least the past 30-40 years… and even then it’s not like classical liberalism was anything other than favourable to free market capitalists.
If “leftists” oppose the definition of liberalism then they’re not leftists.
Wow, I didn’t think I’d have need to copy / paste a post from thirty seconds ago!
I don’t think you’re as familiar with the meaning of terms as you think. Some people call the NYT left-leaning. They absolutely are not. They are a liberal publication and that has a different meaning.
This is what I meant when I said USA citizens have been corrupted by decades of propaganda. Conservative idiots genuinely believe socialism is about making people eat bugs as opposed to helping people out and doing things for their betterment. And liberals genuinely believe that they are Leftists.
Ooooh those propogandists promoting sinister ideologies such as…
civil rights and protections against discrimination on basis of race, ethnicity, gender, disability, etc…
Plus fair working conditions and collective bargaining. Spooky stuff.
Wooosh
You think liberalism is about those topics but it’s actually about those topics plus corporate greed. I want the last part to go in the trash. So, Woosh bud. You know less than you think you do about political parties.
Can you explain what you mean by this? I don’t see how recognizing the ideological difference between leftism & liberalism makes someone not a leftist… they differ pretty strongly on their central economic thesis, which is sort of a big deal given how influential the economy is in… like literally every area of our society & political systems…
The definition of liberalism is that a person believes in the enshrinement of basic human rights, equality, and equity such that a state or government body cannot infringe upon those rights unless its inaction would be a detriment to the rights of others.
People who oppose liberalism generally conflate liberalism with capitalism and capitalism with western nations. Basically, if you oppose liberals you’re just a piece of shit.
I mean, this is just factually wrong. Usually these days when people refer to liberalism it’s shorthand for neoliberalism & understood as such. The only way you can make the reply you just made in good faith is if you are somehow blissfully unaware of the main tenants of the modern liberal movement for at least the past 30-40 years… and even then it’s not like classical liberalism was anything other than favourable to free market capitalists.
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TL;DR I’m a piece of shit because <semantic argument>
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I do hope you enjoy your ban. Liberals are far from the only political group that cares about human rights.
If standing up for human rights is banworthy, I wouldn’t have it any other way.