• Drusas@fedia.io
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    19 hours ago

    Full disclosure: I have not read your link yet, but I intend to.

    How can a gardener be nobility? Frodo, definitely could see. But then there are the Tooks and Brandybucks going out and stealing produce and foraging for mushrooms? Not exactly nobility activities.

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      2 hours ago

      Sam wasn’t, and the article goes into that. He was, in fact, one of Frodo’s tenant farmers and thus part of the Baggins family’s social support network. Hence why he becomes Frodo’s ‘batman’ during the Ring Quest.

      As far as the childish mischief of Merry and Pippin, in the books it’s mushrooms only, actually. And Merry and Pippin are actually much higher-ranking than Frodo, who’s a mere ‘gentlehobit’. (They are, however, also much younger; Pippin especially is barely out of what Hobbits consider childhood.)

      Pippin is the son of the Thrain, the closest the Shire gets to an actual leader and nobility, as it’s his job to ‘stand in’ for the absent King. Merry is the son of the Master of Buckland, another very powerful and very old family in the Shire.

    • RedSnt 👓♂️🖥️@feddit.dk
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      17 hours ago

      But then there are the Tooks and Brandybucks going out and stealing produce and foraging for mushrooms? Not exactly nobility activities.

      Another way of looking at it is that they don’t have to work and is using their past time doing crime just for kicks. That kind of dickishness sounds very much like that of the spawn of nobles.

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        And to add to this, yea Sam is the only one in the Fellowship who isn’t a Maia, heir to the king/steward, heir in a noble family or just rich enough not to have to work, and actually has a normal job.

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      18 hours ago

      Remember, they are still pretty much children in Hobbit society. Both the Tooks and Brandeybucks hold fair bits of land, it’s just their wild kids running around giving the farmers trouble. And of course there’s never any real consequences for them beyond a slap on the wrist.