I’m currently still using gmail unfortunately
Cock.li (airmail.cc)looks very nice but it is invite only
mailbox.org is quite good. I prefer them over protonmail because I want to use my own client. If you don’t care about using a web UI, use protonmail, otherwise use mailbox.org. you can also take a look at tutanota
Also comes with an XMPP account built in, although they should probably update their Ejabberd sometimes 😅
Opinion on the price changes? 1 eur plan doesn’t work with custom domains anymore so I’m looking for alternatives.
Tbh I did not realize their prices increased. I’m happy to pay for their service though. It’s the only subscription I pay.
Strictly speaking it’s not a price increase, the 1 EUR plan is still there. However, support for custom domains has been removed and is only available from 3 EUR plan and upwards under the new pricing scheme.
I’m kind of grandfathered into the old 1 EUR plan that still supports custom domains, but I can’t extend it any further. This means when my account credit dries up I need to choose one of the new pricing schemes ( 1 eur w/o custom domain vs 3 eur … etc.)
I’m oldschool.
I’ve had my own domains and mail servers for the past 3 decades and will maintain them for as long as I live.
And these days, all but the storage runs of Pi3, so it’s barely using any power either.
How is your deliverability? I’ve heard private servers are often blocked outright by the big providers but don’t have any first hand experience with it myself.
Never had any big issues, as there have always been providers here that stood by having an open network for its subscribers, even in the dialup age.
And because they existed, the major providers don’t tend to do that either (at least not anymore).
Most ludicrous thing is that the one time I DID have issues with port blocks (port 21/53/80/443 aka ftp/dns/http/https) was the first time I switched from a domestic line to a business one with one of the largest providers here. They did that as a default unless you called them to unblock everything.
But in the past decade, on fiber, never had an issue, the providers that were first to deliver fiber were new ones that broke from two of the major ISPs respectively owning ALL the coax and ALL the copper in the country, which allowed them to set their own rules.
And their competitive edge wasn’t on price, but on giving you a ludicrously fast and stable connection with the only limitation being what the fiber could carry, although now, when the major ISPs are also finally providing fiber, their pricing compared to my own ISP is kinda ludicrous.
My current ISPs advertised philosophy is “security is your responsibility, a stable fast connection ours”. And so far, they’ve held true to that.
Besides that, almost as long, I first rented and now own a box at a datacenter, which among its secondary tasks runs a backup NS and backup MX as I had the box anyway. To this date, the only times that backup had to do anything was when I was moving and when there are announced network maintenance or other works (of which the longest I can remember was 1 hour and only happen 2 times per year).
I get that if I lived in the US, this would not be quite as practical to achieve.
I worked for a US ISP in the early 00’s, was looking to provide WIFI in rural Texas areas. Setup the hardware and backend for them. Became quickly apparent from what they were demanding from the backend, that their focus wasn’t particularly to bring access to rural areas, but to milk the shit out of providing WIFI to rural areas.
Don’t get me wrong tho, I still have several Gmail addresses that are as old as the service itself is. I rather use a gmail address to sign up to sites and have them deal with the subsequent deluge of spam, than to have that shit tax my own system :P
I was actually referring to big email providers treating private email servers as spammy solely by virtue of the fact that they’re not sufficiently known to them. I had just read somewhere that it’s an increasing problem that may become self fulfilling. What I read might have been hyperbolic :)
Thanks for the read, I’m always interested to hear about people’s experiences with self hosting.
We use cPanel emails at work… don’t ask, please 😭😂. Since we’ve got off a couple of large website hosting platforms it appears to be smooth sailing.
We’re currently hosting our emails with a small web hosting provider, ‘only 250k’ websites are hosted with them. They apparently use SSDs for customer data and boy oh boy is that apparent. Emails are sync’d, sent, and received faster than any other cPanel emails we’ve been on. We’ve only been with them for about 1-1.5 years, so something might come up one day.
I know it’s not quite self hosting, but it’s quite close to it.
Oh god, I bet that UI looks at least ten years old D:
The speed sounds good though!
Though with 250k sites their IPs would at least have a sizable reputation, I was referring more to private email servers that aren’t big enough to generate much of a reputation being auto-blocked by the Gmails and Outlooks of the world. Again I don’t have experience with this, I’d just read somewhere that it’s a growing problem with the big providers only granting any trust to email services above a certain size and therefore reputation.
I still use email clients. Not sure if that’s now considered the old school way of doing things? So the UI doesn’t come into it at all.
I’m not sure how much impact the IP address/server of the mail server has on reputation. I know the domain name and its DNS records have somewhat of an impact.
RE email clients, I think in the personal space it’s much more common to use the web app these days. I find the inverse is true for the business space. What desktop client do you use, out of interest? I’ve been a long time commercial Google user but want to move away and will likely switch to a desktop client along with that change
IP address and domain name can both be used for email reputation purposes. If you self host on a cloud provider that isn’t strict enough on outbound spam, for example, then you might find your sending IP gets blacklisted by virtue of being in an IP range with spammers.
I use Outlook at work, Mailbird at home, and Nine on my mobile devices.
Proton (free) for family, friends, and business types uses, although I’d rather have an integrated calendar (instead of it being a separate app).
Tutanota (free) for bills, purchases, etc., basically everything else, because I’m never going to say “my email is xxxxx@TUTAmail.com” to anyone I know, especially business acquaintances. So far, I like Tutanota more than Proton, especially the integrated calendar, but that name… Sounds like something my mother or grandparents were scammed into using.
On desktop, I’m currently using Thunderbird (TB) for a couple of older gmail accounts (that I’m in the process of transitioning away from), although I hate the recent update to TB. Haven’t tried the Tutanota desktop app yet. Maybe I’ll transition from TB now, after the recent changes.
Considered mailbox.org, but I’m not going to pay for it when they don’t have a cell app. Skiff may be worth looking at. Can’t recall why I didn’t try them.
I use Fastmail - not too expensive, really good webmail client, has working shared calendar that isn’t OWA, and isn’t advertising scraping my e-mail. I would have liked a more private service, but back when I moved from self hosted to a service, that was about the best I could get that also had calendaring.
I also switched to Fastmail. iirc they are not the best privacy wise as they are based in Australia. They do however have a no-nonsense IMAP connection (unlike Protonmail) and they allow multiple custom domains without extra pay. The IMAP connection however is not available on the lowest tier.
So far I’ve not regretted the switch, and it also integrates nicely with 1Password masked mails.
Any email with cock in the name will trigger filtering. It also has the side effect of making me unemployable
I tried Proton, even paid for a year. But hot damn the Android app is garbage. So I’ve moved to Fastmail and I like it a lot. The app is snappy and I love that it has calendar, contacts, mail, notes, and files storage all in the same app. I used a custom domain with Proton so wasn’t hard to switch to a different provider. Just wish I would’ve known how bad the mobile app was before I plunked down the money.
They are rewriting android app from scratch rn
I’ve heard that. Boy does it need it. But I’ll admit I don’t like that their focus seems to be on introducing new products instead of making their existing lineup more reliable/performant. And not making many strides in the Linux world.
Fastmail here as well. I don’t need super privacy. The phone app is great. Was easy to setup my personal domain.
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I use protonmail, simplelogin (for email aliases) and tutanota.
Protonmail, but not really because of encryption. I just liked their Android client and webmail the most. I’ve had sensitive backups on Proton Drive for a long time, so that also played a role in the choice.
I hosted my own server for quite a few years, but the SMTP clients (Thunderbird, Evolution, K9 mail) all doing things slightly differently made me give up. Biggest push was that K9 mail didn’t really move deleted mail to trash. These were probably dovecot configuration issues, but I got tired of searching for solutions. Never had any deliverability issues.
Proton because it came with the vpn.
Email has no privacy, almost all my email communication is with companies I buy things from.
Moreover, I like that it removes power from google.
Tutanota. I used to use Proton, but unlike Tutanota they don’t encrypt folder names, which is a deal breaker. They’re privacy respecting, reputable, and overall a decent service.
Is that true? They don’t encrypt labels on proton?
Sadly, yes. A Proton team member on Reddit confirmed it a couple years back:
Folder/label names are visible to the server (for filters and other reasons) as are email metadata. Message and attachment contents are encrypted and not visible to the server.
Do note that this is ONLY true for Mail. Calendar, and Drive does encrypt folders/label names.
Subject lines are also not encrypted, unlike Tutanota.
How would that work? Email doesn’t have a subject line encryption standard.
They implemented their own way of doing this. They don‘t use PGP. I don‘t know how it exactly works, but it‘s open source, so you can look at it yourself.
$10/year.
Every provider out there encrypts mail at rest. You’re exchanging emails with Gmail, Yahoo or Hotmail anyway. Pretending like your email is any safer with Proton or clones is a waste of money imho.
This is why I like posteo. They are cheap and easy
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I’m in the process of migrating to Proton from Gmail and Outlook. All 4 mailboxes imported, now just the tedious job of updating credentials on all the websites remains…
any competently run service that gets you away from the tech conglomerates will work
fuck proton mail, bring your own encryption
