Leading up to the attack, Hamas fighters were being trained and drilled — often in plain sight, Reuters reported.

  • Hamas duped Israel into thinking it cared more about economic stability than a war, Reuters said.

  • Meanwhile, it was practicing for an attack in plain sight, the report said.

  • Hamas trained its fighters on a mock Israeli settlement, learning how to storm it, Reuters added.

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The Palestinian militant group Hamas built a mock Israeli town in Gaza and practiced attacking in plain sight — but Israel didn’t react, Reuters reported on Sunday.

Hamas militants launched a surprise offensive on Israel on Saturday, in what has been described as the worst breach in Israel’s defenses in decades.

The attack followed a careful campaign of deception by Hamas that ensured Israel was caught off guard over the weekend, an unnamed source, with connections to the group, told Reuters.

Despite convincing Israel that they had no interest in war, Hamas militants were practicing for the offensive in plain sight by setting up a mock Israeli settlement in Gaza to train its fighters.

  • Silverseren@kbin.social
    274·
    9 个月前

    This just further raises questions on whether Netanyahu was actually unaware or if this attack was allowed to happen to provide cover for his corruption charges.

    With so many different blatantly apparent elements and the well known past efforts by the IDF and Israeli intelligence to prevent things like this, such a massive buildup toward the attack in plain sight seems impossible to have been missed.

      • Hegar@kbin.social
        222·
        9 个月前

        Deliberately fiddling with the dial on Palestinian tension for political reasons is like Netanyahu’s go to move. I admit I would be a bit surprised if it turns out he green lit this. It’s a lot of Israeli lives and at this scale it looks a lot like incompetence, which is probably not ideal.

        But it’s totally reasonable to discuss the question.

          • Riccosuave@lemmy.worldEnglish
            243·
            9 个月前

            What a genuinely stupid take. There is absolutely no question that governments have ignored intelligence, or allowed attacks to occur in order to bolster support for military engagements from the general public.

            Seriously, how naive do you have to be to suggest that is a conspiracy theory or misinformation? We know the Bush administration ignored warnings from the CIA of impending attacks by Al Qaeda prior to 9/11. Whether you chalk that up to malice or incompetence is ultimately irrelevant when it led to a quagmire that has shaped decades of US foreign policy and military action.

            If you don’t think it is even worth discussing if far right crypto-fascist authoritarian like Benjamin Netanyahu is willing and able to let his own people die because the means justify the ends then you are not a serious interlocutor.

              • Riccosuave@lemmy.worldEnglish
                251·
                9 个月前

                There is a difference between QUESTIONING a narrative and ASSERTING a cause or motivation.

                Are you actually suggesting that there is no appropriate time in which to question if there is institutional corruption or an organized conspiracy within the government?

                  • Riccosuave@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    182·
                    9 个月前

                    Hey, I hear that Ricosuave user might be a pedophile. I don’t have any concrete evidence, but don’t you think they might be the kind of person to diddle kids? I mean, I am not asserting anything, just asking.

                    The difference is that you have absolutely zero evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) that would lead you to raise this question about me in good faith or engage in such loaded speculation.

                    The same cannot be said for government level inaction or malice that leads to the deaths of its own citizens in order to justify its own ends. We have MOUNTAINS of direct evidence that this can and does happen.

                    Just because SOME people make illogical leaps into conspiracy theory naval gazing does not mean that we just shouldn’t question the transactional nature of any government narratives when bad things happen.

                    Stupid people are going to have stupid ideas regardless, and that should not stop the rest of us from maintaining our skepticism and using common sense when evaluating the progression of history as it is unfolding before us.

              • Hegar@kbin.social
                171·
                9 个月前

                “The bush administration, and the clinton before them, did not act on warning signs of 9-11” is not a conspiracy theory. “The US government allowed 9-11 to happen” is.

                You’re the only one here making that leap though.

                My comment only highlights his history of doing things like this, and several times I say I don’t think he was involved.

                @Silverseren only says that the obviousness of the build-up makes more people wonder if netanyahu knew - which of course it does. They don’t say he did either.

          • Hegar@kbin.social
            121·
            9 个月前

            There will be conspiracy theories whether there is anything to base them on or not.

            It’s definitely reasonable to discuss whether Netanyahu was involved in something that benefits him and he is known for. As I said, at the moment it looks unlikely to me that he was. But come on! He has motive, means, priors and it’s great timing for him personally. Acknowledging that all that is true doesn’t mean agreeing to a vast web of conspiracy. All that is true but it it can still be a legit intelligence failure.

              • Riccosuave@lemmy.worldEnglish
                151·
                9 个月前

                No, it is not “totally reasonable to discuss the question”. That is the basis for conspiracy theories and is why the world is so massively full of FUD and misinformation.

                I would not at all be surprised if the israeli government allowed this to happen.

                Uhhh, okay well which is it then? One second you say it is totally unreasonable to question, and the next you are actively agreeing that you would not be surprised if the government had allowed this to happen. I’m sure even you can see the hypocrisy in that.

                But there is no evidence beyond “they did not act on questionable intel”.

                I don’t recall ever suggesting that there was, nor did the OP of this chain.

                The sooner we enter full conspiracy theory mode, the less credence there is TO (more) nefarious actions coming to light later.

                I’m willing to give you a pass on this point because I think this is probably true. However, let’s not also act like the government doesn’t intentionally muddy the waters and paint anything that is counter to their chosen narrative as conspiracy theories anyway…

                And all we do by entertaining conspiracy theories is erode the concept of truth.

                That is entirely the point isn’t it? The government & intelligence community are fully aware of this phenomenon, and use it to their advantage as one of their main tactics to either squash or foment dissent depending on their objectives.

                The truth has already been eroded to such a degree that whoever controls the largest & fastest means of information dissemination is able to control the narrative. It takes people who are willing to entertain other perspectives to weed through the bullshit in order to eventually land at something that more closely APPROXIMATES the truth.

                The question is not “so was this a false flag action and all the festival goers were crisis actors?”. It is “why did israel not act on this intelligence. What made them think it was not valid”

                Wow, this is such a laughable conflation that I don’t even know what to say about it really. Yes, there are morons who think that way, but I don’t think anybody in this discussion is one of them as far as I can’t tell. So, let’s stick to higher level discourse that can be potentially productive.

              • Hegar@kbin.social
                121·
                9 个月前

                No, it is not “totally reasonable to discuss the question”

                I would not at all be surprised if the israeli government allowed this to happen.

                Are you familiar with the old robot saying, “does not compute”?