Which simply cannot happen ever again. The last time it happened it was a significant upset to the establishment and we had politicians competent enough to do it. Half the people in charge of this shithole now have dementia and/or wear adult diapers. No way in hell anything like the WW2 mobilizations ever happens again.
In a way, we can hope that it’ll happen. Because as soon as the US or the rest of Europe (i.e. not Russia or perhaps a few other outliers (Belarus?) move away from the current neoliberal model, capitalism is done. The raisin d’être for any of these wars falls apart. There’s no point causing war for profit if you can’t make the profit. And the kind of nationalised manufacturing in question would probably have to go hand in hand with a draft. I can’t see that going well.
As soon as imperialist war hawks start to say anything about mobilising manufacturing, Marxists need to be ready to jump to point out the contradiction. I very strongly doubt that even gullible western liberals will be duped into supporting a ‘just war’ where there is no real evidence of injustice. But who knows?
I very strongly doubt that even gullible western liberals will be duped into supporting a ‘just war’ where there is no real evidence of injustice.
They will just manufacture the injustice like that always have. Against the USSR, China, Russia, etc. They barely have to try at this point. If it’s against a foreign power libs will literally believe anything negative that’s made up about it. We can see that with the Lemmy libs every day. lol. No amount of evidence will sway these ppl. Not saying we shouldn’t still try but just saying, for the vast majority of western libs, the western propaganda machine has it easy with making up a justification for war.
Just look how American liberals froth at the mouth to believe every heinous thing accused of Russia and how they were cheering for the retaliation towards innocent Russian citizens. Look how easy it was for them to discard their “progressive” attitudes.
Now imagine when it’s time to mobilize that lingering prejudice against a non-white nation like China.
You’re probably right, there, unfortunately. Not to mention those who wouldn’t need an excuse at all because they’ve grown up believing or otherwise come to think that others aren’t fully human.
There’s no point causing war for profit if you can’t make the profit
Allow me to disagree a bit. There remains a point to prevent the others from industrialization and general rise. It won’t make profit by itself, but it remains a big reason for war
I wouldn’t put past western liberals supporting any war. If there isn’t some vague “injustice” they will just make things up without even a scratch of truth. Remember how much it was vastly believed when the USA and the UK came up with the idea of Iraq having WMDs?
Which simply cannot happen ever again. The last time it happened it was a significant upset to the establishment and we had politicians competent enough to do it. Half the people in charge of this shithole now have dementia and/or wear adult diapers. No way in hell anything like the WW2 mobilizations ever happens again.
In a way, we can hope that it’ll happen. Because as soon as the US or the rest of Europe (i.e. not Russia or perhaps a few other outliers (Belarus?) move away from the current neoliberal model, capitalism is done. The raisin d’être for any of these wars falls apart. There’s no point causing war for profit if you can’t make the profit. And the kind of nationalised manufacturing in question would probably have to go hand in hand with a draft. I can’t see that going well.
As soon as imperialist war hawks start to say anything about mobilising manufacturing, Marxists need to be ready to jump to point out the contradiction. I very strongly doubt that even gullible western liberals will be duped into supporting a ‘just war’ where there is no real evidence of injustice. But who knows?
They will just manufacture the injustice like that always have. Against the USSR, China, Russia, etc. They barely have to try at this point. If it’s against a foreign power libs will literally believe anything negative that’s made up about it. We can see that with the Lemmy libs every day. lol. No amount of evidence will sway these ppl. Not saying we shouldn’t still try but just saying, for the vast majority of western libs, the western propaganda machine has it easy with making up a justification for war.
Just look how American liberals froth at the mouth to believe every heinous thing accused of Russia and how they were cheering for the retaliation towards innocent Russian citizens. Look how easy it was for them to discard their “progressive” attitudes.
Now imagine when it’s time to mobilize that lingering prejudice against a non-white nation like China.
It’s easier for them to hate other governments that do anything about their own shitty one.
You’re probably right, there, unfortunately. Not to mention those who wouldn’t need an excuse at all because they’ve grown up believing or otherwise come to think that others aren’t fully human.
Allow me to disagree a bit. There remains a point to prevent the others from industrialization and general rise. It won’t make profit by itself, but it remains a big reason for war
That’s true. And we’re dealing with people who can’t picture a world without them or their logic.
I wouldn’t put past western liberals supporting any war. If there isn’t some vague “injustice” they will just make things up without even a scratch of truth. Remember how much it was vastly believed when the USA and the UK came up with the idea of Iraq having WMDs?
😔 I remember, unfortunately.