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So, if it’s so easy to remove the filibuster…where does its leverage come from? It seems pretty arbitrary when they can just yank it away from you, whenever you decide to use it.
Or, am I missing something?
No, you’re getting it.
The filibuster is functionally dead, because you can’t use it to prevent the majority from doing anything.
Per the blurb, they want it to prevent the progressive wing of their own party from doing anything.
That would imply the progressive wing is in the majority. That seems a bit at odds with reality.
It implies that the progressive wing needs to be in lockstep with the rest of the party to ever do something, as they can be threatened with a filibuster from “the other team” to play nice, as it were.
They “caved” (read: stage-managed a deliberate ratfuck scuttling to look like “caving”) because they work for the donor class, aka insurance middleman parasites
Took them this long to make up and circulate an excuse.
I’m not buying.
I don’t think it was one reason. It may have been one reason but you have the snap benefits which should have been paid from the reserve for half of november so mid november is the real cut off, then you have the holidays, and you have that they know federal workers can only take it for so long. On top of it they highlighted how extreme maga and their prez will dig in to not help people.
Roughly 50,000 people are going to die every year because with the destruction to ACA they’re being kicked off their ability to get medical care for their sickness. They’re just going to die now while no one helps them. Also, about 98% of those federal workers (that’s not an exaggeration, that’s the real number when they checked) wanted the Democrats to keep fighting, but even that wasn’t true and they wanted back to their jobs, I wouldn’t really give a shit.
50,000. Just dying slowly of their diseases like the middle ages. And next year 50,000 more, and the year after that. But, they don’t work in Washington or have lunch with Chuck Schumer, so they weren’t the priority.
Im sorry I need a reference for that real number as it does not fit my admittedly anecdotal experience with some folks I know. Lets be clear to that they fought for the aca the question is how long. one month. one year. it annoys me a bit this just throwing out of effort because it did not succeed. You literal see people commenting as if it would have been better if they just voted it through right off the bat. Just to be clear I am on the marketplace so im not happy about where things stand. I have two weeks to choose something. I also have commented that I would be fine with the shutdown being forever but that is more because if the country is not going to be run in line with the constitution then whats the point of anything. Given that I can also be nuanced and see why they did what they did.
I remembered it wrong. The 98% number came from here and I think I heard Ezra Levin talk about it on an interview somewhere… but that’s like from a self selecting fundraising email survey or something. It’s not limited to federal workers, basically it doesn’t mean anything.
Given that I can also be nuanced and see why they did what they did.
So can I. My point is, that reason is dogshit. Until they’re willing to put their families on the same death panel health care that they’re conceding to sentence a lot of the rest of the country to, fuck 'em, is my feeling.
Im not sure what to say. Im not voting republican or sitting out voting to let them win. I do and will primary hard though.
Yeah. That link in my previous message goes to a site that’s trying to put together a serious effort to primary anyone who was involved in this, if that is of interest to you.
Well this is not the only reason to primary folks. Durbin, for example, is retiring so he is not up in the primary. The big thing to me is there is sometimes a push to elect in the primary someone who is “electable”, ie centrist or even conservative in a more conservative area. I say eff that. If the area is to conservative for a progressive then oh well.
