- cross-posted to:
- thebadwebsite@lemmy.world
- smugideologyman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
- cross-posted to:
- thebadwebsite@lemmy.world
- smugideologyman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
[a character looks sad in front of a sad city, under the sunset]
Things aren’t looking great…
It sucks when the state kills people
Wish we could do something about it
[the character is now in front of their TV, showing ICE agents surrounding a bleeding corpse on the floor]
Wait… this time they killed WHITE people
This means it could happen to me too?!
[an angry crowd is demonstrating, holding various signs such as…]
THIS TIME YOU’VE GONE TOO FAR
I DRAW THE LINE HERE
TOLERATE NO MORE
2025-31-12, Keith Porter, shot and killed by ICE agents
2025-09-12, Silverio Villegas González, shot and killed by ICE agents
2025-07-28, Jaime Alanis Garcia, shot and killed by ICE agents
27 shootings by ICE in 2025,
8 of which were lethal
31 deaths in ICE custody in 2025
11 deaths in ICE custody in 2024
7 deaths in ICE custody in 2023
3 deaths in ICE custody in 2022
5 deaths in ICE custody in 2021
18 deaths in ICE custody in 2020
9 deaths in ICE custody in 2019
9 deaths in ICE custody in 2028
If you don’t address the inaction, you won’t beat the system. “We can address all the systemic issues in our movement after our movement succeeds” has borne out in history approximately 0 times. More often either the movement fails entirely or it’s coopted by its most conservative elements who turn it into something completely different.
Yeah no i was totally wrong dont know why i said that. Its maybe that this meme seemed to undermine the cureent mobilization?
Like, we do need to address it but how do we minimize the resistance that comes from the defensiveness of “dont call me bigot?”
Certainly we can’t let this fear allow us to postpone a critical component of change.
People, especially heteronormative white people really, REALLY conflate accountability with an attack on their pride, it’s a cultural heritage the deconstruction of which can only be sparked from inside.
We all need to learn that past mistakes are only a permanent mark if we do nothing to change them
If action is your goal, then when you see action, you support it. Address the inaction of those who are not acting, and support those who are. Bitching about the way it was is not helpful.
No part of what you said addresses my point, so I’ll repeat myself: Resistance movements have to worry about being coopted from the inside almost as much as they do about being crushed from the outside. Introspection and self-awareness are crucial if this movement is going to survive. Internal conflict is often rightly cited as a danger to any movement, but it’s also a survival mechanism that shouldn’t be shut down out of hand.
You have a point. But currently people are doing the right thing. Should we stop? What do you suggest we do about it right now in this moment?
I mean, there’s no one right answer, and other people probably have better ideas for radicalizing moderate movements, but there are wrong answers and shutting down internal criticism as “divisive” or whatever the centrist thought terminating cliche of the day is is definitely one of them, and on that front this thread is not a good indication. If I had to say something it’d be “maintain minimum standards and don’t compromise with centrists,” but that’s not really the point I’m making here. People need to be confronted with their biases and pushed to be better if they’re going to, you know, be better (which is necessary because feckless moderate liberals don’t overthrow fascists).