Iām glad youāre aware of the issue and I think itās great that youāre involved in spay and release programs.
However literally everything else you wrote is at odds with research that has been conducted. The British Ecological Society (one of the ānon-americanā countries you referenced above) has a great article on the horrific impact domestic cats have. I suggest you read it:
The only real danger cats pose to local ecosystems is feral cats
Every time you let your pet cat outside, thereās no guarantee it comes back. Feral cats arenāt a self sustaining ecosystem of felines that spring from the earth.
Aside from that, youāre also impacting other humans. My neighbourās cat shits in my garden every night, cat shit carries pathogens like toxoplasmosis that can cause pregnant women to miscarry and can literally make children go blind. The only reason I donāt sit out waiting with a pellet gun like I would for other pests is because I like the mangy bugger.
My younger sister was also attacked as a child while she was playing outside in our back garden by one of the neighbours cats. She still has the scar on her lip to prove it.
Do you not give a shit about what your cat might be doing when youāre not being responsible for it? Imagine if I just let my dogs roam around the streets unsupervised.
Iām guessing by your, Franky borderline psychotic response,
I think you should really check yourself here. Itās too easy to make fun of crazy cat people for this to descend into petty name calling.
The BES article you linked is more about conservation law than actual impacts and the studies it uses as example are primarily from places like north America and Australia where cats are invasive.
In places like the UK cats have been here for literally thousands of years and used to be far more independent and reliant on hunting, so any damage they would have done to our ecosystem would have been done a thousand years ago.
They mostly are self sustaining, which is why TNR is so important.
And so do foxes and birds and rats and voles and every other kind of animal that passes through your garden.
And I really want you to take a moment to appreciate you just come straight from arguing that outdoor cats are bad because they kill animals to talking about killing animals yourself. Once again, youāre a hypocrite and you donāt actually care about these animals youāre simply looking for an excuse to hate other people and feel morally superior to them.
Cool and I was attacked by a dog that came off its lead as a kid. But if I tried to tell you that people shouldnāt take there dogs for a walk, even on a lead and you were a selfish person that doesnāt give a shit about other people because you take your dog on walks, you would just (rightly) think Iām crazy.
Yes I do, I worry about him getting injured or doing something stupid, but itās the same with kids, but we still let them play outside, because keeping them inside their entire lives would be incredibly cruel.
Nah Iām good. Iām not the one making threats of violence over the internet. Also you literally started this with petty name calling, so itās pretty rich of you to start clutching your pearls now lil guy.
The BES article you linked is more about conservation law than actual impacts and the studies it uses as example are primarily from places like north America and Australia where cats are invasive.
Rightā¦ Well when you get a chance to actually read the article rather than pretend you did, let me knowā¦
And so do foxes and birds and rats and voles and every other kind of animal that passes through your garden.
And these donāt get canned food when prey animals have been over hunted. So theyāll starve and their population will be balanced against their prey. Iām starting to think I gave you too much credit saying you understood this issueā¦
they kill animals to talking about killing animals yourself
Iām interested in protecting biodiversity, sometimes that involves killingā¦ Or you knowā¦ simply supervising your pets when theyāre outside. But clearly you donāt have the capacity for responsibility.
Cool and I was attacked by a dog that came off its lead as a kid. But if I tried to tell you that people shouldnāt take there dogs for a walk, even on a lead and you were a selfish person that doesnāt give a shit about other people because you take your dog on walks, you would just (rightly) think Iām crazy.
Youāre comparing someone who tried and failed to control their animal. Which is bad. To yourself, who refuses to control their animal, which is easily 100x worse.
but we still let them play outside, because keeping them inside their entire lives would be incredibly cruel.
How fulfilling do you think the lives of all the birds precious Mittens has killed have been?
Iām not the one making threats of violence over the internet.
Youāre the one actually committing violence by releasing a violent predator unsupervised. How do you know it hasnāt attacked a child?
Also you literally started this with petty name calling, so itās pretty rich of you to start clutching your pearls now lil guy.
I know youāre very worked up right now. But take a breathe and try to calm down.
I did read it, hence why I pointed out itās not actually a study on the effect of cats in the UK. But on conservation law and they extrapolate data from other countries.
Maybe you should read it since itās pretty clear you just googled the data you wanted to find and copied the first link on Google.
Cool, they still shit in your garden if they donāt get canned food. Which was the point you were whining about in your last comment.
If youāre so interested in protecting biodiversity, why do you (presumably) live in a house with windows? As many places will tell you Windows kill massive amounts of birds each year, comparable to that of cats. But again, as Iāve said before but you keep not addressing (because you know it shows youāre a hypocrite) you donāt actually give a shit about any of this, youāre just looking for something to argue about and be smug about how morally superior you are, as this entire conversation chain and your smarmy attitude demonstrates.
And yes, like I mentioned previously some amount of hunting can actually be beneficial to animal populations as food and other resources arenāt being used up by unfit or unhealy members of the species that wonāt make it to the next breeding season regardless.
And there you go dodging again because Iāve shown how foolish your logic is when applied to something you like. Even if we say the magnitude is worse, they are still comparable. Either you are logically consistent and you think people shouldnāt take their dogs on walks, or youāre a hypocrite just trying to argue with strangers on the internet to feel better about yourself.
Lol, lmao even. Letting my cat outside is ācommitting an act of violenceā? Do you not read this shite as youāre writing it and hear how utterly silly you sound? This is peak old bloke with too much time on his hand whining on the local Facebook group type energy.
Lol proper 14 year Redditor trying to act smug to rage bait shit. Honestly a little impressive how youre able to combine these two wildly different kinds of pathetic.
But hey, sure if it makes you feel better, then Iām actually super mad! You really got undr my skin and pissed me off š š š
I know the anger and denial is just your defense mechanism against acknowledging that youāre in the wrong here.
Hopefully youāll get past it and start taking responsibility one day. I just hope your realization doesnāt come at the cost of a childās eyesight. Peace mate.
Lmao dodging the whole entire comment this time. Then accusing me of the one being in denial.
I think itās pretty obvious you know youāre a massive hypocrite and are just projecting to try and desperately convince yourself you āwonā another internet argument.
Iām glad youāre aware of the issue and I think itās great that youāre involved in spay and release programs.
However literally everything else you wrote is at odds with research that has been conducted. The British Ecological Society (one of the ānon-americanā countries you referenced above) has a great article on the horrific impact domestic cats have. I suggest you read it:
https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pan3.10073
To address some other problematic statements:
Every time you let your pet cat outside, thereās no guarantee it comes back. Feral cats arenāt a self sustaining ecosystem of felines that spring from the earth.
Aside from that, youāre also impacting other humans. My neighbourās cat shits in my garden every night, cat shit carries pathogens like toxoplasmosis that can cause pregnant women to miscarry and can literally make children go blind. The only reason I donāt sit out waiting with a pellet gun like I would for other pests is because I like the mangy bugger.
My younger sister was also attacked as a child while she was playing outside in our back garden by one of the neighbours cats. She still has the scar on her lip to prove it.
Do you not give a shit about what your cat might be doing when youāre not being responsible for it? Imagine if I just let my dogs roam around the streets unsupervised.
I think you should really check yourself here. Itās too easy to make fun of crazy cat people for this to descend into petty name calling.
The BES article you linked is more about conservation law than actual impacts and the studies it uses as example are primarily from places like north America and Australia where cats are invasive.
In places like the UK cats have been here for literally thousands of years and used to be far more independent and reliant on hunting, so any damage they would have done to our ecosystem would have been done a thousand years ago.
They mostly are self sustaining, which is why TNR is so important.
And so do foxes and birds and rats and voles and every other kind of animal that passes through your garden.
And I really want you to take a moment to appreciate you just come straight from arguing that outdoor cats are bad because they kill animals to talking about killing animals yourself. Once again, youāre a hypocrite and you donāt actually care about these animals youāre simply looking for an excuse to hate other people and feel morally superior to them.
Cool and I was attacked by a dog that came off its lead as a kid. But if I tried to tell you that people shouldnāt take there dogs for a walk, even on a lead and you were a selfish person that doesnāt give a shit about other people because you take your dog on walks, you would just (rightly) think Iām crazy.
Yes I do, I worry about him getting injured or doing something stupid, but itās the same with kids, but we still let them play outside, because keeping them inside their entire lives would be incredibly cruel.
Nah Iām good. Iām not the one making threats of violence over the internet. Also you literally started this with petty name calling, so itās pretty rich of you to start clutching your pearls now lil guy.
Rightā¦ Well when you get a chance to actually read the article rather than pretend you did, let me knowā¦
And these donāt get canned food when prey animals have been over hunted. So theyāll starve and their population will be balanced against their prey. Iām starting to think I gave you too much credit saying you understood this issueā¦
Iām interested in protecting biodiversity, sometimes that involves killingā¦ Or you knowā¦ simply supervising your pets when theyāre outside. But clearly you donāt have the capacity for responsibility.
Youāre comparing someone who tried and failed to control their animal. Which is bad. To yourself, who refuses to control their animal, which is easily 100x worse.
How fulfilling do you think the lives of all the birds precious Mittens has killed have been?
Youāre the one actually committing violence by releasing a violent predator unsupervised. How do you know it hasnāt attacked a child?
I know youāre very worked up right now. But take a breathe and try to calm down.
I did read it, hence why I pointed out itās not actually a study on the effect of cats in the UK. But on conservation law and they extrapolate data from other countries.
Maybe you should read it since itās pretty clear you just googled the data you wanted to find and copied the first link on Google.
Cool, they still shit in your garden if they donāt get canned food. Which was the point you were whining about in your last comment.
If youāre so interested in protecting biodiversity, why do you (presumably) live in a house with windows? As many places will tell you Windows kill massive amounts of birds each year, comparable to that of cats. But again, as Iāve said before but you keep not addressing (because you know it shows youāre a hypocrite) you donāt actually give a shit about any of this, youāre just looking for something to argue about and be smug about how morally superior you are, as this entire conversation chain and your smarmy attitude demonstrates.
And yes, like I mentioned previously some amount of hunting can actually be beneficial to animal populations as food and other resources arenāt being used up by unfit or unhealy members of the species that wonāt make it to the next breeding season regardless.
And there you go dodging again because Iāve shown how foolish your logic is when applied to something you like. Even if we say the magnitude is worse, they are still comparable. Either you are logically consistent and you think people shouldnāt take their dogs on walks, or youāre a hypocrite just trying to argue with strangers on the internet to feel better about yourself.
Lol, lmao even. Letting my cat outside is ācommitting an act of violenceā? Do you not read this shite as youāre writing it and hear how utterly silly you sound? This is peak old bloke with too much time on his hand whining on the local Facebook group type energy.
Lol proper 14 year Redditor trying to act smug to rage bait shit. Honestly a little impressive how youre able to combine these two wildly different kinds of pathetic.
But hey, sure if it makes you feel better, then Iām actually super mad! You really got undr my skin and pissed me off š š š
I know the anger and denial is just your defense mechanism against acknowledging that youāre in the wrong here.
Hopefully youāll get past it and start taking responsibility one day. I just hope your realization doesnāt come at the cost of a childās eyesight. Peace mate.
Lmao dodging the whole entire comment this time. Then accusing me of the one being in denial.
I think itās pretty obvious you know youāre a massive hypocrite and are just projecting to try and desperately convince yourself you āwonā another internet argument.
You have my deepest pity mate.