The “not making decisions for me” part is a very Trump-like thing to say. Society only works by compromise.
The part where we all die, because a foreign army invades us, and no one is doom guy.
Part of anarchism that bothers me is that without central authority keeping track of everything my ability to find specific help I need would be solely dependent on whether I or any of my friends know person with that particular set of skills.
The part where I don’t get to make decisions for others. Not really looking forward to the clash that happens when the 2/3s consensus system of Johnsonville upriver comes into conflict with the majority consensus system of Tablesville downriver over the matter of what level of water treatment is necessary before dumping.
The part where millions of people die from a preventable disease because no one wants to enforce quarantine.
This is actually a great argument.
Erm, if you get me sick without my consent we’re gonna have bigger problems than a plague pal.
The ‘I consent’ ‘I consent’ ‘Aren’t you forgetting about someone?’ meme but it’s a bacteriophage instead of Jesus
If you can’t maintain a system of logistics extending beyond the walking distance of a single village you don’t have a cohesive ideology.
beans. we have bean logistics.
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Anarchists can organize and fight militarily quite effectively while still maintaining a bottom-up system, as demonstrated by the Anarchist militias of Makhno and Catalonia (and though not Anarchist, Rojava is an example of a decentralized army). The issue all Anarchist attempts have faced militarily is a lack of any allies on the world stage, allowing the authoritarian nations around them to crush them due to lack of supplies (or sudden betrayal of ML ‘allies’).
“See, tankie? I organized a decentralized army” gets absolutely fucking demolished by an industrial state
“The problem is just that we had no international allies and we got invaded :(” these people do not understand communism and the withering away of the state when worldwide socialism advances.
Makhno was supplied by Bolsheviks and when he came into conflict with them and supply dried up, he was immediately crushed! And Catalonia was literally part of the Spanish Republic and the anarchist militias were integrated as part of its army with full logistical support!
And ML states also faced those issues: Bolsheviks at first tried to build the army as a network of voluntary militias, got catastrophically owned, and started building a proper Red Army. And the lack of international allies was the horrible nightmare of every Soviet leader until 1945!
Pretend I made a spongebob meme with one of these people opening up the box to grab “Ol’ Reliable” (Stabbed in the back myth)
The part where I don’t get to make decisions for others.
If you’re not willing to use force against others to enforce your anarchist ideology then you’re never getting it. What is this if not making decisions for others?
This whole argument is garbage really. It completely misunderstands anarchism. It sounds like the average ancap rather than an anarchist.
I say this as someone who self describes as a communist, and an anarchist: Most self described anarchists in the imperial core are just anti-cop socdems. The lack of a revolutionary success on the scale or recency as the USSR or PRC has really allowed the term to erode its meaning over the last century; no random lib can hold you to a standard of ideological precepts if they dont have some historical boogeyman to hold you to!
The most principled anarchists (in my experience) are way closer to your average Marxist-leninist than the state would like to admit. They just organize themselves differently.
This has been my experience too
Not beating the “anarchism is rebellion against bed times” allegations
The best example of planetary wide anarchist community is the Fremen in Dune.
Loving that the best example of anarchism is neither anarchist nor real.
J.K. Rowling: “I need a name for a deceitful forum troll…”
remember the guy on here a couple of months ago that couldn’t concieve of making a work schedule because it would be too authoritarian
Politicising ones undiagnnosed ADHD
Don’t be too hard on the anarchists.
All of the problems anarchists are trying to solve are problems that communists will need to address over time as the state withers away.
A socialist state should be filled with experimental anarchist communes that are trying to solve the next puzzle by living it.
Don’t be too hard on the anarchists.
Maybe when they stop calling me a “red fascist”
I’ll be less hard on them if they agree to be less hard on every attempt to build actually existing socialism.
Also having a plan for all the factions to fit in “after the revolution” builds left-unity now, maybe we can finally move past arguing about the Spanish civil war
The people who bring up the Spanish civil war as a reason to “never trust a tankie” are beyond help in my opinion. The idea that all “tankies” are the same is ridiculous, that a revolution in an entirely different time and place with entirely different material conditions will somehow always turn out exactly the same, with them getting stabbed in the back by tankies is just absurd. Also has a lot of influence from “Judeo-Bolshevism” with this idea that the “authoritarian communists” are always going to stab people in the back because it is their “nature” or something.
They just want their morally pure team to be the good guys and the “tankies” the designated bad guys. They aren’t anarchists because they actually believe there will be an “after the revolution” they’re just libs who wear a t-shirt with a
symbol on it. They aren’t interested in learning about history or about improving the future, they’re only concerned with feeling good about themselves. And in ten years, those same “tankies” they despise (which often includes actual anarchists doing actual work to help people) will still be working at furthering their causes, while these kind of pseudo-anarchists, or “anarkiddies” will have see anarchism and leftism in general as “just a phase” and will just be bog standard libs, if not full-on fascists.(The first part of your point is completely correct, we don’t need to fight now nor after a revolution, we can always work together, even if we have different end goals, both groups want a better world for everyone, and giving people more options for how they think that looks is a good thing, not a bad thing.)
To be fair, when Marxists speak of the withering of the state, we don’t mean the abolition of all hierarchy. Marxism does not wither into anarchism.
I really don’t like that Lisa Simpson meme, it only ever gets used by people who want to declare that their opinion is 100% correct and everyone else is wrong, and you just know it’ll be some of the dumbest shit you’ve ever read when you see it.
Makes it an easy flag then, no?
Also checkmate ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
this is just a wordier version of “they hate us for our freedoms”
Whitest Kids U’Know sketch about anarchy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBospQs9Hk&pp=ygUMd2t1ayBhbmFyY2h5
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
