America isn’t a democracy. It’s a Republic. Try again with Europe or other democratic nations.
:chefs-kiss: a bonafide classic, the yankee liberal’s ultimate retreat-and-defend move
Intelligence is knowing the US is not a democracy. Being a complete fucking idiot is thinking that’s because it’s a republic.
“the great mass of people don’t have any power”
“ah but we’re not supposed to. we’re just not a monarchy”
not the airtight case they think it is
The whole myth of the American Revolution was that the Americans were fighting for their individual freedoms from the European colonial powers. They wrote a masturbatory declaration of independence about how this will be the land of personal freedom and individual rights. It’s America’s big thing, its source of national pride.
The same people who believe that, the people who fetishize Benjamin Franklin and blabber endlessly about the Federalist Papers and watch the Hamilton musical weekly, will then turn around and say America was not even intended to be democratic from the beginning. They hold two wholly incompatible mythologies.
Quote from the American Declaration of Independence:
… to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
This is clearly a call for a democracy. Chuds can squabble about what kind of democracy it was intended to be (no need to bring up the practical absence of genuine democracy) but the intent has always been unambiguous.
The whole myth of the American Revolution was that the Americans were fighting for their individual freedoms from the European colonial powers.
It was a myth in the sense that it was what the revolutionaries told themselves. But I don’t think it was a myth in that it was false. The people writing those proclamations were bourgeois and it was a bourgeois revolution they were supporting. If you look at American mythos as only applying to land owning white men, as was intended, it’s a lot easier to see that the founders likely meant what they said, just not seeing anyone outside of their intended ruling class as people deserving of the same considerations.
Totally right. By mythology I meant not necessarily the history, but the collective view of that history which has turned the events and characters into a quasi-religion. Like all myths, there is a kernel of truth.
Always point out to them that China is republic too.
Europe
nation
someone buy the yank a map
The motte-and-bailey fallacy (named after the motte-and-bailey castle) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy where an arguer conflates two positions that share similarities, one modest and easy to defend (the “motte”) and one much more controversial and harder to defend (the “bailey”). The arguer advances the controversial position, but when challenged, insists that only the more modest position is being advanced. Upon retreating to the motte, the arguer can claim that the bailey has not been refuted (because the critic refused to attack the motte) or that the critic is unreasonable (by equating an attack on the bailey with an attack on the motte).
EU is very democratic, look at Greece.
Albert Einstein agreed and he seemed like a pretty smart dude:
Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.
famous tankie, Albert Einstein.
Dude loved Lenin and Stalin.
Stalin, really? But I thought he would be critical of Stalin, considering he thought Lenin’s policies were unadvisable but necessary as a last resort, and he supports Lenin, so I thought Einstein wouldn’t be too keen on Stalin but just rather critically supportive…
Edit: I edited my comments for clarification
No. Einstein was a lifelong defender of the Bolsheviks, and stood by Stalin even during and after the purges. The man staunchly supported USSR even when it became controversial post-ww2. He is the highest profile advocate of the USSR during ww2.
Given that he was a socialist before ww2 began and that the USSR rescued jews it actually shouldn’t be that surprising that a jew who lived in germany during the peak of antisemitism before the war and escaped the nazis would be quite supportive of Stalin.
We don’t know too much about his opinion of lenin’s policies, he was vague about it. I prefer to think he sees Lenin’s approach as unadvisable because of how incredibly difficult it was and how Lenin spent his entire life on it, sacrificing himself, and arguably cut his life short. Most people think the wound he took in the attempted assassination probably contributed to his early death.
I’ll refer to@Awoo@hexbear.net’s post referencing Einstein’s letters
slam dunking on your own team’s basket like
parentis_shotgun is such a great username
It’s so funny seeing goat post the most based shit I’ve ever seen as some sort of gotcha
if they want they can fork lemmy and do their own thing. heck who tf cares if lemmy has a communist dev, you can selfhost it ffs. no one fucking cares.
Communists existing makes people very mad because it gives them cognitive dissonance. It’s basically the same thing as vegans existing.
Let’s ask the Reddit admins about their views and get that in public
The design of social software is never apolitical and problems with many open source projects boil down to liberal misconceptions about how governance of their project needed to work. The devs being communists is cool and good.
They’re literally getting pissy because the devs won’t build a block of hexbear into the software itself. Great liberal values. (And an incredibly poor understanding of how FOSS development works.)
mods mods mods developer set off independant thought alarm! defederate, fork, do something!So they dug through literal years of posts and comments to find something to shit on?
include me in the screenshot goat, you whiny lifeless fuck
It would be unironically funny if goat eventually converts into a “tankie” after having to dig through years of GenZhou archival material.
i want him to become a dedicated marxist leninist. he still calls people tankies, but mostly just for disagreeing on questions of theory.
Capitalism is fully democratic for the bourgeoisie. Liberal democracy was conceived as a means of self-rule for the emerging bourgeois class. It’s a mechanism for resolving intra-class conflict. In the US, the inclusion of proletarians, POC, and non-men are completely incidental results of class war, allowing political mechanisms to take a hit in lieu of economic mechanisms.
It was, but even this is breaking down due to the increasing wealth inequality even within bourgeoisie and the mechanisms that were created to control lower classes’ participation in politics like capitalist media, electoral college, anticommunist, pro-status-quo propaganda and similar things that had got a life of their own and are eating even into mechanism of bourgeois self-rule, hindering their effectiveness. Like old realistic ghouls like Kissinger being replaced with complete idiots who have bought into their own propaganda.
With that framing it’s no wonder the US is producing mainstream fascist politicians left and right. The downwardly mobile petit bourgeoisie are some truly volatile fucks.
1 capital = 1 vote, the most democratic political system
It rules so much that the Lemmy creator is a comrade. His essays on GitHub helped radicalize me six years ago. Brilliant man.
@goat@sh.itjust.works I think you should come talk to us, you have been at this for a while. Make a lemm.ee alt and post a thread here. This is getting silly.
but you guys banned me ;c
back when hexbear did a whole big vote to federate with SJW you guys were all like, ‘yeah, that’s great, we can dunk on so many libs!’, but then you had to call out to be defederated in less than a day. :(
how about you come over to a neutral instance so that way neither of us can get banned? :3
hey there he is! That was fast goat, how often do you check hexbear?
Gotta say I’m suspicious of anyone who can lurk this site as much as you have the past few months, see all the horrors of capitalism we discuss, and still support capitalism
I’m preoccupied tomorrow but how about tuesday on lemmy.ml?
whenever i get pinged or if someone links me it.
you know very little about me if you think I’m a supporter of Capitalism–I am not.
Ping me wherever you want and I can reply to you. Or you can always come over to the Tankie Thread, so long as you don’t glorify violence and atrocities performed by any authority or government, that is to say, killing unarmed civilians or by shooting first.
if I remember the numbers right it’s something like:
- $2 trillion a year in net extraction from poor countries to rich countries
- 9 million people a year dead from hunger
- 8 million people a year dead from lack of healthcare
- 5 million people a year dead from poor sanitation
we could probably fix those last three bullets with $2 trillion a year, right?
