cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/63262827
Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law
No country or political project has a “right to exist”
Yeah. The people who live in Israel (and Palestine) have a right to exist. The country doesn’t have a right to exist.
In the past this used to be more obvious. When a country lost a war of aggression, they were forced to cede territory at the end of the war, or sometimes they were just wiped out and another country took over that territory.
All the events in Berlin are what people think about when they think about Germany after WWII. But, there’s also Königsberg. After WWII Königsberg became Kaliningrad. It’s a part of Russia that isn’t connected to the rest of Russia by land, only by the Baltic Sea.
IMO, a country engaging in genocide means that country should lose territory. Germany shows that there’s hope that a country can be reborn even after its leaders commit genocide. But, maybe it also shows that that country deserves to cede territory to some of the countries they harmed.
We shouldn’t really look towards the “might is right” geopolitics of the past for how things should be anymore. After WW2 there has been the ideal of a rules based international order under which the people have a right of self-determination and the country has sovereignty which together pretty much means recognizing that the state of Israel does have a right to exist.
Does that preclude Palestine’s right to exist though? Palestinian peoples’ sovereignty?
Because currently Israel appears to be doing everything in its power to prevent that.
If they can determine another nation doesn’t have the right to exist, using Might Is Right, why should the rest of the world accept their right to exist?
it certainly doesn’t and attempts to resolve this have been happening under the international framework where both things are recognized for many decades now… If we had a system that was able to enforce the ideas uniformly instead of the current deeply flawed one where great powers still hold veto over any issue they want it could be that Israel would be prevented from doing that.
People’s right to self-determination stops when that self-determination results in genocide against other people.
“Germany, which provides Israel with about a third of its weapons imports,”
Looks like we found the reason. To protect the military industrial complex and of course to crush any dissent that would prove that Germany has the blood of Palestinians on their hands.
Always about money.
Just because we are against a genocide does not mean we hate Israel.
I mean, we can too 🤷🏻
The government to be clear. Or maybe certain individuals. Not the ethnicity on a whole.
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Israeli is not an ethnicity.
think you mean race, they are an ethnicity
Just like Canadian and American are not an ethnicity. Canadians and Americans have ethnic origins, wherever they are from or are the descendants of.
Israel is stolen land by settlers from locals.
There are some Israeli citizens who are Palestinians whoose families lived there for hundreds of years
Not really a single race, though, it’s not strictly hereditary. People can become Jewish by conversion.
I’m sorry, it isn’t? I’m not sure I understand. Can you please explain this?
You should be able to hate anything you want as long as you don’t act against it I think
That’s a dislike. I’m referring to actual hatred.
And just because we hate Israel doesn’t mean we hate Israelis
Do you hate people that supports the genocide? If so, that’s the majority of Israel’s population.
I mean, the Jewish people have a right to exist.
Does any state or country have a right to exist? I would argue probably not.
Israel has a right to be a weapons testing ground 😘
This law will criminalise expressing beliefs of ultra-orthodox Jews in particular and of anti-Zionists generally. German fascists at it again.
German antisemitism
Israel does not have a right to exist.
Israel has the right to exist.
Just not where it is currently.
It can exist in the minds and hearts of terrible people.
Israel as a state was created to wash away the sins of holocaust, but we can’t atone for one genocide with another genocide.
The state must be abolished, the law must be decided by the indigenous people before the current settlers can be allowed back in as immigrants, if they clear the requirements set by the people.
There is no being against the genocide without being against the state of israel, because the genocide did not start today, it started the moment palestinians were displaced in the nakba.
The Zionist project to take over Palestine started in the late 1800s. Long before WW2.
No. Read the history.
Israel was created to kick the Jews out of Europe, by antisemites like Churchill and Balfour.
Israel worked with the Nazis closely.
You mean Zionists?
Israel didn’t exist when Nazis were in power. And when they did exist, they tried and murdered Nazis.
Same thing. Israel does not exist today either.
They certainly did not. https://thecradle.co/articles-id/37130
As usual, nothing of value was learned in Germany. We need yet another demonstration of why fascism is wrong.
Even if the country has a right to exist, I don’t think anyone has a right to commit genocide. But what do I know? I ain’t no legal scholar…
Exercise caution. Being against genocide is not the same as being against the existence of Israel, just because some individuals have both beliefs.
Some news / reporting / social media outlets will try.
Same as Australia :(
Uhhh
I find it so strange that Germany is now desperately trying to protect the fee-fees of a fascist and overtly genocidal state.
Like, people have a right to exist. A state has no such right.
Yes, it’s very unlike them!
Good grief.
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
