I’m searching for boots similar to these but vegan for obvious reasons. I love boots but haven’t had them for years because I couldn’t find any cool-looking.
Isn’t Vegan Leather just a fancy name for plastic?
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He’s thinking of polyurethane leather which got rebranded from PU leather to vegan.
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It depends, I think the marketing has recently shifted to putting the word vegan in a bunch of things in the hopes that it would get more sales. The cheaper stuff seems to be plastic, but some of the higher quality stuff seems to use better materials. There’s more people buying the cheaper stuff so that’s what comes up when you search for “vegan leather” these days
Isn’t the quality stuff still just plastic and rubbers? Just a better kind for the job? Or are there other durable organics that do the truck 🤔
Apparently people are saying the mushroom leather is good. I personally don’t have or want leather/leather-like stuff, so I could be out of date or wrong, but I remember there was leather made from plants that was offered as being premium and durable.
Edit: here’s some examples, I’m not sure if how they all rack up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant-based_leather
I think it’s important to note here that many plant-based leathers still contain some amounts of petroleum-based plastics. This may change in the future, but at the moment many leather alternatives are still not 100% sustainable (it’s questionable whether animal leather is, though).
- Mushroom Leather (Ctrl+F petroleum)
- Apple Leather (Ctrl+F petroleum)
Vegan leathers that don’t contain plastics often also look and feel more distinct from real leather (e.g. cork or teak leaves).
Even plastic is better for the environment than leather.
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I mean sure, that’s your choice, but using intentionally extreme, almost misappropriated, verbiage is a bit much no?
Ripping the skin off implies living when it occurs, and “pets” is largely fabricated for shock effect (as is the term “ripping”). It’s quite cold & “surgical” compared to the image you’re painting of my dog having their skin ripped.
To be clear, I’m not anti vegan or anything, nothing here has implied that, I’m just calling out the verbiage for what it is.
It is indeed intentionally extreme as it is extreme to me that this occurs. I’ve literally seen it in videos on youtube. It’s not too exaggerated therefore as this happened in the past. Of course I can’t prove that’s the case for every single piece of leather and that’s also not the case. I’m pretty sure more than half of it is not from living dogs, but I’ve seen it happening and that’s why i don’t want to have real-leather on my foot unknowingly if it’s from a dead animal or not. And even if it’s from a dead animal it’s not the right choice for me when there are alternatives that don’t include animal skin. Does that make sense?
So your okay with using plastics in place of real leather because you enjoy the aesthetic and are willing to use a substance that is known to contaminate and harm the life you hold in such high regard and plants you eat in place of those animals.
I wonder if there is a vegan leather shoe company. Only leather from animals that lived humanely and died of actual natural end of life causes.
Oh another user commented about Mylo Leather. Created from mushrooms. Thats neat
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They commented below about finding about the mushroom leather. But if people think that it’s going out of your way buying plastic boots vs not doing that they might get confused. Discussing the harm certain materials can cause for the environment, and ultimately the animals that reside in it, is good, but I’m sick of it being bought up as a ‘gotcha’ moment for veganism.
Plastic is a recyclable material which therefore aligns with sustainability goals. Indeed some companies let customers send in their old shoes so they can be up-cycled. Plastic is a very durable material too! It has a lower impact on the environment compared to animal-based products. Choosing plastic over animal skin also aligns with ethical considerations, as it avoids contributing to the exploitation and suffering of animals for fashion and apparel.
Btw many vegan leather options are made from sustainable and eco-friendly materials, including plant-based alternatives like pineapple leaves, apple peels, and mushrooms. These alternatives often have a significantly lower environmental impact compared to traditional leather production, which is known for its heavy use of resources and harmful effects on the environment.
Moreover, the idea of using leather from animals that have lived humanely and died naturally is not a widespread practice in the fashion industry. The majority of leather comes from animals that are raised and slaughtered specifically for their skin, which goes against the principles of veganism that prioritize the well-being and ethical treatment of all animals.
@neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com better? I’ve only later found out that plastic is actually not that wide-spread in boots as I thought
Um my comment wasn’t meant to imply that you needed to remove the old one / edit it, but yeh it looks better? I’ll repost what I said in the reply as I can’t find anymore.
Discussing the harm certain materials can cause for the environment, and ultimately the animals that reside in it, is good, but I’m sick of it being bought up as a ‘gotcha’ moment for veganism.
- My comment I can’t see anymore
I’m just going to state this before anyone jumps in and claims leather as a material is more “eco-friendly” than plastics. The process of getting the leather is very polluting to the environment as the entire animal agricultural industry is. The leather doesn’t magically appear one day at the store, it comes from exploiting animals and the environment. Plastics are also bad for the environment and even human health. So, we should strive for an alternative that is neither of those, which we seem to have found.
I think the main point about the plastic is it breaking up into smaller bits and polluting the environment, but I’m not an expert on that.
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I have boots from here and they’re great (I personally got the WVSport Insulated Waterproof Hiking Boots, but they also have other types of boots):
https://www.wills-vegan-store.com/Thanks for recommending them again! Seems like they are very likeable xD
Will’s Vegan Store has great color options for dock boots as well as an option for insulated boots for winter. I have the blue dock non-insulated and love them. I haven’t had issue with them or anything else that I’ve ordered from the website.
Highly recommend the WVS Dock boots. Have them a few years already and they still look like new!
They get recommended a lot!
I also have their hiking boots and theyre fine too. Only the sneakers I bought are a complete flop. Not durable (look shitty after only a year)…
I bought some boots from their store today :D
Right!? Seems like a good option
What about these: https://www.nae-vegan.com/en/unisex/shoes/boots_702-656.html
I bought a pair of etnas last year and I like?them a lot, comfortable, warm, non-slip most of the time.
very nice! Thanks for sharing! Stylish, one customer said they are not for hiking tho which I wanted to buy them for. I go for walks with my dog a lot. But again, thanks for sharing and I’ll take them into consideration :)
If you need steel toe boots you choose from the selection of STC.
Why is one of their styles called Trump?
Probably because it can also mean triumphant
Fair enough, I would have to look into the company to see when they opened. I’d just be a bit worried if they opened after 2016
I’m not sure, it sounds cool unlike that republican lol
My partner has had these ones for a while and they’re stills going strong. https://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/all_products/travis_boot_tan/18431_p.html
Thanks for the tip! Sadly, too small. I need 41 or better 41 1/2 :)
https://www.avesuveganshoes.com/ also has a big selection
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Source on these claims? Leather production isn’t exactly easy on the environment, nor the health of (typically third-world country) workers involved in the process.
Personally I’ve been wearing the same pair of synthetic leather boots to my job which has me walk ~20k steps a day for 5 years now, and the only part of the shoe showing signs of wear is the rubber sole, which I had to glue back on.
That claim could be easily debunked with a five minutes Google research. 🙄
E.g. https://interestingengineering.com/lists/plant-based-leathers-environmental-impact
I specified petrolium based.
Oh true. My bad!
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Looks great, but how to buy?
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Nobody said anything about the environment or it being better???
OP is trying to find clothing that doesn’t involve animal exploitation
How aren’t you exploiting animals when you’re destroying the literal environment they live in to cover up you weak fleshy human feet?
Read the community sidebar, particularly the “as far as is possible and practicable” in “What is Veganism?”.
Thanks 🙏
I can’t believe how much people arguing with the premise of the question has ruined this thread.
Hey, why didnt I get a notification about why my comment was deleted?
You can check the modlog of any community on lemmy. It’s the green button by the community sidebar. It shows who, when, and why, when something gets removed.
The button should be by the member / post counts
Thank you, this helped me find it.
There’s always a reason given when comments are deleted. Afaik it doesn’t even need to be your comment but could be the comment you replied to but I’m a newbie
Well i commented on this post earlier, and now it is gone. I even have a reply notification that goes to no where.
Can you still provide the content of the message? Maybe I’ll remember if it was actually the comment that got deleted or a parent that you replied to :)
Nevermind I found it in the community mod log.
Sorry if posting this is a violation.
All good! OP (me) just asked for boots and this is just off-topic. Could have included that in the reason but from the UI I thought I only have one line. Don’t take it too seriously! I’m still new to Lemmy. Let me know if this felt wrong to be removed.
It is also false.
Studies and LCA analysis have revealed that leather products are far more damaging to the environment than even PU leather.
This is due to the enormous environmental impact of the cattle themselves, including land clearing, water use, direct emissions, etc.
Does that include all of the other products made with the cattle?
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Depends where you are, Mr. Posting-from-lemmy-dot-world. There’s a shop in Amsterdam where I bought vegan work shoes with the steel toes, cushioning etc two years ago, still going strong through various kitchen jobs. These are the ones actually: https://www.vega-life.nl/i/vegan-werkschoenen-en-vegan-veiligheidsschoenen/eco-vegan-shoes-easy-walker-advanced-swiss-fabric-safety-s3-src-jeans
I have a pair of the vegan Dr. Marten’s but honestly they take a while to dry out after heavy rain, otherwise they’re spot on.
it doesn’t as I am buying them online. Also how dare you decide I am a man. Ok, my name is haha
Then having them posted, presumably? I think that matters!
You’re right! I’ve added the German flag to my profile :D
I also found these as another example but they are a little high
I think I found some good looking ones :D
https://vegan-store.eu/products/vegan-insulated-dock-boots-mens?variant=39808850690234
Not exactly the same color but it’s the look not the exact color I was looking for ;) I’m still open for other suggestions and maybe someone else benefits from suggestions as well :)
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I find a lot of satisfaction in not walking around draped in someone else’s skin like a ghoul but idk
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I actually think it’s weird as shit to kill somebody, peal their skin off of their corpse, soak it in noxious chemicals, and then like make a hat out of it or whatever.
Like seriously that’s fucked up, the only reason you don’t think that is because you don’t recognise the personhood of the creature who’s skin you’re using.
They feel just like we do, they have families and friends, they play, they explore, they get scared, they feel pain. I don’t think they’re things to use.
Plus I’ve seen videos of dogs still alive while they ripped off their skin. I mean they aren’t actually even dead before they get brutally hurt with pain no one should ever dare to describe.
They do all of that. But they still make good boots. The world is brutal. Life is brutal. Everything isint daisy’s and rainbows. Ever seen a cat torture a lizard or a bunny for no good reason? That’s just life my guy. Life is death.
This sounds deep but actually is quite shallow thinking.
Life is many things, and can be many more further still. We could strug our shoulders at premature infants “life is brutual babies die” after all, or we could build incubators and give people hope.
We could drive past a car crash “life is death” why bother?
You can justify any monsterous act by looking for the bleakest things in the world and telling yourself it’s fine. That’s just faulty reasoning, I ask cats for moral guidance and you shouldn’t either.
Animal parts have utility. So we use them. You’re crazy to think otherwise.
I just hope you’re not like that in real life or otherwise have no friends bro. That thinking is so wrong. What do you even do in the vegan lemmy community with that thinking? 🤮 Where do we get as a society with people like you? It’s not even an option for me to use real leather! It doesn’t come to my mind! So don’t bring it up here. I asked for VEGAN boots! Lots of people suggested nice looking boots (thanks) and as they are sold, there is a demand for vegan boots. Also, I hope that most people buying boots with animal-leather just don’t know and need to be shown a brutal video to understand what’s actually on their feet.
Amazing justification for murder./s Please stay on topic next time someone asks where to buy clothes…
You know that’s not for “no reason”? They do it to stay alive. They don’t even kill the animals before they rip off their skin sometimes.
True. I can’t imagine a material that is more horrific than skin that isn’t yours
Weird. I couldn’t imagine wasting a good hide on nothing.
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I’m very skeptical about its durability compared to some good leather, but maybe! I would think that an animal hide would be fully compostable though as well
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Go ahead and make me into some boots when I die. The fuck do I care I’m dead better than just rotting in the ground
You know they don’t collect the leather after the cows die of natural causes, right?
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