Android is leagues ahead of Apple, first of all, the core of Android is libre, anyone is able to take Android and create their own mobile operating system around it (with various amounts of success). Of course, this leads to OEMs who create bastardized nonfree operating systems with privacy holes, but it also leads to things like Vanilla Android, GrapheneOS, CalyxOS, /e/ etc.
There are also GNU/Linux phones like UBports, GNOME/KDE mobile shell, so it’s not a binary decision.
Android is not without its flaws (like Google play services and closed down hardware), but to say it’s not better than Apple is misleading. Countries choose Android, only America pushes their Apple sludge.
Every cell phone, even dumb phones, can track you with a warrant or Stingray. Rather than picking which is better, understand that every single cellphone is snitching on you and act accordingly.
To be clear, it is possible to defend yourself, but ofc no defense is perfect. For illegal activities that might attract federal attention? best to avoid them at all costs. But for general privacy in your day to day life that isn’t practical for most people, and “every cellphone is snitching on you” is way too reductive, even if it’s true in a sense.
For example the person you are replying to mentions Linux phones, many of which publish schematics and make hardware kill switches for the discrete modem a big selling point. That still isn’t perfect protection, but it would protect you from a stingray… and if you have a thought out threat model, you can make the choice whether or not that device is appropriate for your situation.
Let me be clear first: If you want to get rid of advertising, then yes your advise is OK. If you want to defend against the Surveillance system, it’s not close to adequate. This is the fundamental gap I’m trying to address.
I understand where your heart is at, but you are making a mistake. Free/Libre software is about Freedom, and from that guarantee we can build other guarantees about security and privacy. However Freedom itself does not guarantee security nor privacy. Freedom is also the freedom to shoot yourself in the foot.
To be clear, it is possible to defend yourself, but ofc no defense is perfect.
There is a perfect defense: Don’t use technology. Much of this advise is trying to use technology to fight technology. It’s a rabbit hole that has no bottom, and the best defense is to not play. The problem is attack surface. Technology is incredibly complex and is chattier than your extroverted :LIB: friend at brunch, and boy howdy do people love to listen! You can reduce this attack surface, but it never goes away as long as you are using technology.
But for general privacy in your day to day life that isn’t practical, and “every cellphone is snitching on you” is way too reductive, even if it’s true in a sense.
Here’s the trail crumbs you might make on the Web as you browse each and every website:
DNS request - sends URL domain/hostname (www.hexbear.net, for example), collects IP and timestamp. Your ISP is often the default DNS, so they are collecting this information. Google (8.8.8.8) and Cloudflare (1.1.1.1) as well.
1st party HTTP(S) request - Encrypts body but sends URL domain/hostname in the clear across the network, collects IP and timestamp.
3rd party request - Usually advertising, but also could be security (Sign In With Google, Okta, etc), collects IP and timestamp
3rd party cookies - Sent and updated with every request to that domain (Amazon cookie to Amazon.com, FB cookie to Facebook.com, etc), collects IP and timestamp
1st party advertising - Think Amazon’s “Customers also bought…”, has full access to your request, collects IP and timestamp and User-Agent.
Logs - Usage data about what you do on the website, both front-end and back-end, collects IP and timestamp
Telemetry - Usage data about what you do with your app, collects IP and timestamp
You can use custom software for #3 and #4 on the device (most of the advise here), but do you block google.com? You can use a network DNS blocker (e.g. Pi-Hole) for #1, #3, #4, and some of #7, but that only works on networks you control. VPNs advertise as solving #2, but that’s pure ideology; it only moves where the routing traffic goes and still can log information in transit.
This also ignores data brokers who buy all of this information and compile it together.
And this is just the advertising/surveillance defense against tech companies. I haven’t even touched or defense.
if your threat is state-level actors your computer security is approximately moot and maybe you should spend your money on laywers and having a discreet way out of the country
Our research for this report involved interviewing experts on this issue and reviewing approximately 150 publicly available documents covering awards, solicitations, requests for proposals, and related information on contracts. We found significant evidence of agencies exploiting loopholes in existing law by purchasing data from private data brokers. The practice has prompted scrutiny from government watchdogs as well as members of Congress (Tau, 2021a; Wyden, 2021).
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I’m with you on libre stuff, but I would say it’s not any better than Apple unless you are actually using one of the options you mention. Essentially every OEM available in western countries (and probably most other countries but idk) jam it full of spyware and telemetry, both the default google kind and all kinds of OEM and carrier-based additional spyware which is also often horribly insecure.
I know your hearts in the right place about this, but android is not better than iOS for privacy.
The only way android can be made decently privacy respecting is through graphene and that requires a very small subset of the ocean of android devices and requires that you give up almost everything that makes a smartphone useful.
The solution to privacy isn’t graphene or android, it’s not using a smartphone at all.
and requires that you give up almost everything that makes a smartphone useful
that’s hyperbolic, I use graphene and rarely use the profile I’ve got their play services shim enabled in. the only thing I have found myself entirely unable to use so far is google pay for event tickets that require it, which isn’t often.
idk which features you mean, but you can get the google camera app and sideload it. highly recommend doing that
most if not all ML features like photo manipulation or whatever else are going to run on google’s servers, so yeah you’re not going to get that. not what I think of when I read ‘everything that makes a smartphone useful’
As if Android is any better?
Android is leagues ahead of Apple, first of all, the core of Android is libre, anyone is able to take Android and create their own mobile operating system around it (with various amounts of success). Of course, this leads to OEMs who create bastardized nonfree operating systems with privacy holes, but it also leads to things like Vanilla Android, GrapheneOS, CalyxOS, /e/ etc.
There are also GNU/Linux phones like UBports, GNOME/KDE mobile shell, so it’s not a binary decision.
Android is not without its flaws (like Google play services and closed down hardware), but to say it’s not better than Apple is misleading. Countries choose Android, only America pushes their Apple sludge.
Every cell phone, even dumb phones, can track you with a warrant or Stingray. Rather than picking which is better, understand that every single cellphone is snitching on you and act accordingly.
To be clear, it is possible to defend yourself, but ofc no defense is perfect. For illegal activities that might attract federal attention? best to avoid them at all costs. But for general privacy in your day to day life that isn’t practical for most people, and “every cellphone is snitching on you” is way too reductive, even if it’s true in a sense.
For example the person you are replying to mentions Linux phones, many of which publish schematics and make hardware kill switches for the discrete modem a big selling point. That still isn’t perfect protection, but it would protect you from a stingray… and if you have a thought out threat model, you can make the choice whether or not that device is appropriate for your situation.
Let me be clear first: If you want to get rid of advertising, then yes your advise is OK. If you want to defend against the Surveillance system, it’s not close to adequate. This is the fundamental gap I’m trying to address.
I understand where your heart is at, but you are making a mistake. Free/Libre software is about Freedom, and from that guarantee we can build other guarantees about security and privacy. However Freedom itself does not guarantee security nor privacy. Freedom is also the freedom to shoot yourself in the foot.
There is a perfect defense: Don’t use technology. Much of this advise is trying to use technology to fight technology. It’s a rabbit hole that has no bottom, and the best defense is to not play. The problem is attack surface. Technology is incredibly complex and is chattier than your extroverted :LIB: friend at brunch, and boy howdy
do people love to listen! You can reduce this attack surface, but it never goes away as long as you are using technology.
Here’s the trail crumbs you might make on the Web as you browse each and every website:
You can use custom software for #3 and #4 on the device (most of the advise here), but do you block google.com? You can use a network DNS blocker (e.g. Pi-Hole) for #1, #3, #4, and some of #7, but that only works on networks you control. VPNs advertise as solving #2, but that’s pure ideology; it only moves where the routing traffic goes and still can log information in transit.
This also ignores data brokers who buy all of this information and compile it together.
And this is just the advertising/surveillance defense against tech companies. I haven’t even touched
or 
defense.
if your threat is state-level actors your computer security is approximately moot and maybe you should spend your money on laywers and having a discreet way out of the country
That’s not necessarily true. Police are purchasers of this data from data brokers. It’s state surveillance without any need for a warrant.
I’m with you on libre stuff, but I would say it’s not any better than Apple unless you are actually using one of the options you mention. Essentially every OEM available in western countries (and probably most other countries but idk) jam it full of spyware and telemetry, both the default google kind and all kinds of OEM and carrier-based additional spyware which is also often horribly insecure.
I know your hearts in the right place about this, but android is not better than iOS for privacy.
The only way android can be made decently privacy respecting is through graphene and that requires a very small subset of the ocean of android devices and requires that you give up almost everything that makes a smartphone useful.
The solution to privacy isn’t graphene or android, it’s not using a smartphone at all.
that’s hyperbolic, I use graphene and rarely use the profile I’ve got their play services shim enabled in. the only thing I have found myself entirely unable to use so far is google pay for event tickets that require it, which isn’t often.
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idk which features you mean, but you can get the google camera app and sideload it. highly recommend doing that
most if not all ML features like photo manipulation or whatever else are going to run on google’s servers, so yeah you’re not going to get that. not what I think of when I read ‘everything that makes a smartphone useful’
graphene
It is leagues ahead if you are literate enough to wipe off the original firmware and get your own in it.
I want a phone, not a second job.
Its fine if you are not literate to install a custom ROM. Use the defaults.
I have mine modified, no need for a second job, just 30 minutes of research once.