This post should NOT be taken as some kind of insult towards the mods of the previous subreddit, nor should it be seen as some justification for the dumb crap that Reddit is trying to pull with their API. I am totally against Reddit trying to price gouge people who make their site better.

However, I made a post on the thread that announced the indefinite lockdown that people would not switch sites and ultimately it would harm the community because 75-80% of people wouldn’t switch, and it seems my number was really wrong. It is more like 95%+. I guess I am making this thread to ask if it is worth fracturing the main place for the PoE community to gather (for better or worse)? I think it is worth a legitimate discussion, because I hate the idea that the PoE community is the one getting harmed because of Reddit’s poor decision making. Maybe Reddit will change their tune and this won’t matter, but if they’re not are we just going to stay away from there forever? Unless this site (which is out of control of the mods here) gets massive upgrades then I just don’t ever see it being used at all.

Feel free to give your thoughts and I hope that my post comes across as genuine.

  • multiplicitypoe@pathofexile-discuss.comMEnglish
    9·
    1 year ago

    Hiya,

    We subreddit mods don’t want the community harmed either. I’m preparing a post aimed at addressing feedback we’ve gotten from the community and discussing our plan and how we’ll be getting your thoughts on that plan as well. I need to draft it up and run it by the rest of the mods for review, so expect it tomorrow at the earliest.

    If you want to read some personal thoughts on Discord (not an official plan) I wrote about the blackout, check in the PoE discord server (discord.gg/pathofexile) starting here and going a few pages below that as well

    • Multi
  • Luca@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    Honestly, this is a pretty slow time for PoE content too. We’re mid-league, and we just got some cinematic PoE2 trailers without much substance to them. People who really want to discuss PoE will slowly filter their way into Lemmy over the next couple of months, and I’m sure there will be a spike in activity when the next league drops.

    I would rather mods stick to their guns. Short term is may be messy, but I think it’s best for the longterm health of the community to drop Reddit.

  • pixxelkick@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
    10·
    1 year ago

    Honestly speaking there have been a multitude of posters on the Discord that keep coming in going “Is the subreddit private? I dont get it” and they didnt even read the message you get when you visit /r/pathofexile

    So I mostly chalk it up to “people cant read” tbh

    • Noooberino@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      “people cant read” and “people closing dialogue windows without reading” is basically the universal problem for most issues when people sit in front of any computer device from my experience…

  • d3ceived@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    1 year ago

    Give Lemmy a chance to surge when the next league hype starts. There’s a lot to be gained; switching from Reddit to Lemmy would a boon to the community the way the wiki migration from Fandom to community-run was.

    • Skray@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      The larger Lemmy instances like Lemmy.world and Beehaw are decently active. This instance is discoverable from them, but there are only a small handful of subscribers from each, PoE is too niche for non-PoE players.

      This instance could grow with some work though. There’s nothing on reddit that ties PoE players to it outside of just historical momentum.

      I’m not tied to reddit personally, but will obviously go wherever the activity is. I do find the growth of the federated social media to be fascinating though, and think it’s a good alternative to reddit.

  • Generic@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    I’ll be honest, so far the switch seems much more seamless than I expected. With how sedentary social media and the web generally have become, I’d have expected a much, MUCH slower transition, to the tune of maybe a person or two joining per day, with somewhere around 50 joining initially… And that’s not even mentioning like others have said that it’s already a pretty dead time in the ebb and flow of PoE communication. Given all the circumstances, I think what we currently have is about on track with what could be expected early on. It’s not like the reddit userbase didn’t generally rely on comparatively few active users to provide content to lurk in.

  • Difficult_Bit_1339@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    It doesn’t harm the community at all. Having a small high quality community is better than having 10 million people subscribed that spam the forum with low effort comments.

    I’d much rather have a smaller community and high quality discussions. All of the important links and threads will be cross posted anyway. All of the teaser videos will be linked here, etc.

    The ActivityPub-based platforms like Lemmy are a more sustainable option. It is very likely Reddit will continue their march towards aggressive monetization, the API changes will not be the last thing. Having a community that isn’t bound by the whims of a group of executives is a positive thing. Even if that means that it takes time to grow the userbase.

      • haeilsey@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        a happy hello from a new kbin user as well! I’m glad that everything seems to be up and working again with federation so I can easily participate here or wherever else without needing a bunch of accounts

    • Luca@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      That’s the magic of the fediverse. It doesn’t matter which instance is your home instance, you can comment and participate in practically any community you want.

      I use social media for more than just gaming, so it made sense for me to make my account on a more general-purpose instance

  • esc@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    Some reddit apps don’t show the message on the poe subreddit that links to this site (for example RIF, it just shows an empty page).

    A lot of people are not that invested in poe or reddit that they would bother with moving to another platform, instead they’ll just stop interacting with the community and move on to something else. Getting people to move to another platform is always a big ask.

    I’m still kinda surprised by how quiet this place has been. I think this site works just fine.

    • multiplicitypoe@pathofexile-discuss.comMEnglish
      7·
      1 year ago

      I think there is a very high proportion of lurkers on this instance. Do you want to guess how many users are registered here right now? 3500. And yet, only <30 posts or so. 1% commenters/posters to lurkers ratio might be about right.

      • esc@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Interesting. Maybe people are shy to post when there are so few posts on the front page? or maybe they are all bots haha

        • multiplicitypoe@pathofexile-discuss.comMEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          I was curious if most are bots too and found some interesting data

          Looking at the list of users by domain

          ubuntu$ users | awk -F'/' '{print $3}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
   1563 lemmy.world
   1320 beehaw.org
    172 sh.itjust.works
    164 pathofexile-discuss.com
    149 lemmy.ml
    103 discuss.tchncs.de
     20 lemmy.nz
< censored results below 20 to protect privacy on small instances >
``
It seems most people have main accounts elsewhere. Not sure why someone would try making bot accounts elsewhere to then link them here and...not post? 🤷‍♂️
          • Barbarian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            6·
            1 year ago

            I have no idea why other people are subscribing, can only talk about myself. I do not actively play PoE, but I’m planning to when I have time later this year. This means I have nothing of value to contribute to this community. I’m subscribed to lurk and get a feel for the lingo and how PoE works.

          • dimeq@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            For what it’s worth, I made an account last week and wasn’t able to log in until now due to an infinite loading spinner, so there may be some bugs where people actually just can’t post even if they wanted to.

        • DunklerTurm@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Not sure, if people are shy, of if there’s just nothing to post about right now. As others already stated, it’s mid league and usually there are some item showcases and memes on reddit right now.

          Furthermore, I could think of most of the registrations would be people who are informed about the blackout of Reddit and think, that it’s a good step to go for a new platform, but don’t necessarily want to post stuff about PoE right now. The majority will likely just lurk around Reddit and see, how the situation develops.

          Because why register a new account on a new platform, if the subreddit is back during the next league start? Everything about the current situation is inconvenient in some way and people usually avoid inconvenience until it’s necessary for them to change something (i.e. being able to do new-league-shitposts :P).

  • moglis@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    People rightly complained / didnt use the official reddit mobile app because it was bad. Some also continued using old.reddit because they didn’t like the new one. Honestly, this new thing, is bad. That’s the main reason for me. It’s not just a “don’t want to change” thing either. The UI is lacking compared to reddit. Also the forum view, is not good imo. Both old and new versions of reddit did it better.

    Also, that’s a me thing, but I don’t understand the layout of the page. On reddit you have a main account, 1 account to login and you can join different subs. Have all the relevant info on your front page. Here I only see the poe “sub”. Where’s the rest? I had my main page with new / relevant posts from all the subs I followed. Like an old man reads the newspaper for many different news, I had reddit and I can’t replicate that here. That’s the another deal breaker.

    Finally there’s so many personal account based stuff like saved posts, repositories of information, karma, replies and discussions that can’t be transfered here. It just can’t happen. There’s also a lot of usernames and people you met and talked over the years, now that is gone. And people with streamer names that’s gonna cause confusion.

    I get it that reddit fucked up and communities are not “moderatable” anymore but this is such a downgrade and the transition causes many problems, I just don’t see me happy using either at the end of the day.

    • progenyofthestars@kbin.social
      1·
      1 year ago

      Here I only see the poe “sub”. Where’s the rest? I had my main page with new / relevant posts from all the subs I followed

      Gotta shop around other instances, make account where you like the communities/UI and then sub here.

  • SeventhSolar@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    I want to mention that the chosen url isn’t great. I tried to remember it just now and couldn’t, had to go back to the Reddit private community message just to see where it was.

  • ripnburn69@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    Poe was the only reddit I really followed the rest of it could go away, and I wouldn’t notice. I could get over the lemmy ui, if there was actually people here.

  • Nettle@pathofexile-discuss.comEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    I just made an account here in case I ever need to use it. I was hoping that settings would allow me to change some things to make this site look better (like smaller text!) but all I was able to really do is switch from light mode to dark mode. It doesn’t feel like a great replacement just yet…