• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    I did, actually. I’ve never believed in astrology, and I have generally been of the belief that they are just vague as you’ve said. So when it was insisted I do a full chart, that was part of my conditions. They were all fairly non-vague, their predictions were specific and excluded common personality aspects.

    The one I chose as closest to my personality description was did in fact correspond to my actual chart.

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      Yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re lying now, because you would have brought that up ages ago if that was the case.

      And in a proper study that was done, that I linked you to, found that with a group of 50 people they were no better able to pick their actual astrology report than random chance. So no, you are still full of shit.

      What actual science have you done?

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        Because you would have said I was lying then too, and it wasn’t relevant. Because my position wasn’t that astrology is accurate. My position was that not every horoscope is vague enough to apply to anyone.

        Have you considered that the differences in horoscope generation? Did the study control from different astrologers, difference in methods, difference in detail?

        None of which is relevant, because, again, my statement wasn’t that astrology is accurate. My statement was that not every horoscope is vague enough to apply to anyone. If there exists one single horoscope which excludes one single person, the statement “All horoscopes are vague enough to apply to anyone” is false. This is basic logic, you should’ve covered this in undergrad.

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          Nope, you’re just a liar. Only after I told you how to properly do a double blind experiment did you say that’s what you did.

          Fuck off liar.

          And go read the paper. The people couldn’t tell a real astrology report from a random computer generated one. If astrology reports were so accurate the people could pick out out from an obviously fake one, but they could not.

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              9 months ago

              Fuck off liar, or answer one of the many actual questions I posed you, or just read the papers I sent you.

              No, you won’t do any of that so just fuck off.

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                9 months ago

                Which questions haven’t I answered?

                About being a professional scientist? I’m not, but that doesn’t matter.

                I’ve answered every other question. And your paper about astrology continues to be irrelevant to my point: the fundamental uncertainty of science.

                I suspect you’re lying, since you claim to be a professional scientist, yet you:

                1. Constantly conflate accuracy with precision

                2. Believe in unfalsifiable truths in the empirical sciences

                3. Think that credentials themselves are evidence

                That’s all middle school stuff.

                Watch the video. It’s a lecture at a global top 20 university that you might recognize, and reiterates all the points I’ve been making:

                That absolute certainty is fundamentally unattainable in the empirical sciences (he even explicitly includes evolution and gravity). That the only absolute certainty possible is in the formal sciences (math, logic, etc) because they are defined not observed.

                Or do you think you know more about this topic than this professor, who teaches this exact topic, at a global top 20 university?

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                  I’m not, but that doesn’t matter.

                  Took you long enough, and yes, it does matter.

                  I’ve answered every other question.

                  You have not, because I asked many, many times what science have you done?

                  Constantly conflate accuracy with precision

                  Wrong, I have already informed you you fell for the Barnum effect.

                  Believe in unfalsifiable truths in the empirical sciences

                  The existence of gravity is unfalsifiable, the explanation for it is. And when people discuss lack of absolute knowledge, that is what they are talking about, and that is what the video is talking about.

                  Think that credentials themselves are evidence

                  Nope, that’s you lacking the ability to read once again.

                  And when are you going to read those papers I sent you?

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                    And when are you going to read those papers I sent you?

                    Right after you watch that video, which you clearly didn’t because he discusses gravity and explicitly disagrees with your conclusion.