As a Finn I say this is fine. Every military resource that is tied down and not raping and destroying Ukraine is net positive.

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    Having to constantly communicate in abusive opposite-world ideas must be tiring. The notion that NATO is out to invade Russia or something is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard.

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      For real… like Mr. Putin sir, we don’t want Russia. In fact, I must insist that you keep it

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      I’ve heard arguments from sarcasmitron on YouTube that Putin actually believes his own lies. Putin is terrified that the CIA actually caused color revolutions in the 2000’s and 2010’s, and after the pro-constitution/anti-election-fraud protests in 2011, he’s been fighting against “the shadowy hand of the gay nazi west” ever since.

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        Seems like it would happen naturally after a while. He speaks basically exactly like US Republicans and I think a lot of them actually believe their insane BS.

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          Not surprising that he literally works Republicans like sock puppets

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        I find that less believable than the usual dictator playbook that uses foreign scapegoats to create a diversion from internal issues and justify authoritarianism.

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      It’s simple. Us vs them. Not complicated like the 3D-chess he used to play in world politics.

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        More specifically, it’s not for us. It’s for the people in Russia (who have no opposing viewpoints to hear) and the… special kind of individuals down at Lemmygrad (I don’t have any sort of excuse for them)

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      It’s interesting how this might become a self-fulfilling prophecy if Russia attacks Finland

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        That’s basically why Putin has been whining about this. He wants to be able to invade neighboring countries without having to deal with the US, EU and NATO.

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    Oh you’re gonna move your last three tanks there? Good luck with that venture lmao

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      They can make a big show of parking the T14s and Su-57s there knowing they won’t have to be put to use and no one will find out how shit they are.

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    According to the Russian president, Finland was “dragged” into Nato.

    And who did the dragging Vlady?

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      Exactly. Most didn’t want to join before Putin decided to invade Ukraine.

      Putin managed to do what decades and decades of pro-NATO propaganda couldn’t. It’s almost impressive.

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    >Be Putin
    >Announce NATO expansion is no threat
    >Pull most troops from the Finnish border, because holy fuck, Ukraine has turned the entire army you had at the start into sunflower fertalizer
    >Have all the units you pulled from the Finnish border incur astronomical losses, because you want to present any win at the next election
    >Declare Finland a threat again
    >Move the broken units back up to the border
    >Profit

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    Forget article 5, if Russia thinks that Ukrainians are tough mothers, they (literally) won’t know what hit them in Finland.

    Thick, dense forests with millions of trees. Moutainous regions. Snow forever. Lots of places a sniper pair could hide.

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    I was worried about this ever since Putin said “we have no plans of the sort” when Biden said Putin would invade a NATO country after Ukraine.

    Lo and behold, troop build up on a border of a NATO country, which completely parallels the start of the Ukraine invasion.

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      I highly doubt those troops are for invading Finland. If there’s any NATO country that should be worried it’s probably Estonia. Especially if/when Trump gets elected president again.

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      Except of course for the little fact that Ukraine wasn’t in NATO.

      People outside of Finland might forget that before Russia attacked Ukraine, they had several military bases around Finland, with plenty of troops in them. https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000000728599.html from 2014 (in Finnish, sorry). For the Ukraine war, they emptied these bases. What they’re doing now is just restoring those bases to what the had been for several decades.

      Putin is just plain lying, as he is every time his mouth moves. They have maintained a highly threatening stance against Finland ever since WW2.

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    I guess this is classic troop rotation shenanigans?

    Instead of rotating towards areas near Moscow, rotating towards St. Petersburg gives soldiers a break/training while pressuring Finland.

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      What pressuring? They’re scared to shit to point of hallucinating threats because they think because we have a prime-eval grudge against them.

      If they magically would co-operate with us, drop their shit we would more than happy resume the trade with them.

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      Russia will absolutely not invade Finland, even if it weren’t part of NATO and the EU.

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        Which is great news for the Russian soldiers who are going to be stationed there. Not going to the meat grinder instead.

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        You’re probably right, but that was exactly what people were commenting while russian troops were officially still just doing an exercise near the Ukrainian border. Putin is a madman and capable of unexpected crazy behaviour

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          Well no actually. US intelligence was basically telling the entire world that the invasion was 100 percent going to happen. How do you not remember that?

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            I don’t because idk who they told it to. Not me (I was just concerned it would happen by myself) and obviosly not the many people who were still commenting it would never happen while russian soldiers had already been reported crossing the Ukrainian border

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        Correct. You have to be utterly delusional to think otherwise. This is just Putin posturing for domestic consumption.

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          That’s what I thought about the threats to invade Ukraine. It was such a stupid idea that surely someone as intelligent as Putin wouldn’t do it. But then he did. We can no longer assume he’ll act rationally.

          That doesn’t mean he is going to invade, but it does mean we need to take his threat seriously.

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          Only once that I know of, and that was arguably a stalemate even though the USSR took part of Karelia. The Finns also learned their lesson there, and today (enormous network of bunkers, largest artillery force in Europe, F-35s on order, military reserve is 20% of the population) they are ready.

          Plus, of course, they are EU members (which has a mutual defense clause) and NATO (whose Article 5 is well-known)

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    There’s too much mud and rain in Ukraine right now, so they need an excuse to pull back

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    Finland’s blank NATO papers were kept in a safe (30 years figuratively?) and as soon as the war(s) started to cause us harm, they were pulled out of the safe and ratified.

    From the news at the time of NATO ratification: “Look in the mirror” - Sauli Niinistö

    From the news of the last two weeks: Now the eastern border is pretty much closed for the foreseeable future.

    My armchair stance: If the Soviets angered nearly 4 million Finns in the 1940s who had only pitchforks and cows and the result was 126 875 dead and 188 671 wounded Soviets. [*](https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talvisota) Now there is a nation of +5 600 000 grumpy Finns with access to modern weaponry and a bitter memories of the past…

    I don’t know what the russian leaders are hallucinating trying to anger us more? :P

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      Our sorrow of the year is the death of Martti Ahtisaari, a Peace Nobelist. May his legacy to be respected in honor, his wisdom would be in great need as of today.

      Sauli Niinistö, who will soon peacefully leave us as a president and join the same history books. Sad we can’t have a another Kekkonen, depends who you ask. I hope the next president will have a stone cool head in this heated world.:)

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    it’s just a sneaky little recruitment campaign… sign up now boys, we’re forming a nice leisurely unit to sit and watch the Finns do nothing… don’t worry, we won’t accidentally send you to die like worms in a ditch in Ukraine…