• SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      You’re really conflating seething hatred for America destroying a country with praise for Saddam Hussein? You reactionaries really can’t see in anything beyond binary terms, can you?

      Saddam was fucking atrocious, but Iraq had working infrastructure under him (and his rise to power was aided by the US, so he was another pawn)

      They had that torn apart courtesy of America and are only just building back

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        No I got no love for what the US and the allies did to Iraq, but what good is the the running water they had for the dead Kurds? From the start, my argument was they are better off now. Not that they are in paradise now.

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          Better off how? I pointed out their power grid is shit, their water table is contaminated, their buildings are bombed out, and everything but their oil has been privatized. Materially, they’re fucked 3 ways to Sunday.

          If you’re trying to still make digs about ‘supporting Saddam killing Kurds’ or w/e, I’ll point out again that Saddam had the full backing of the US until Kuwait

          And you can get rid of people like him without invading the country and tearing it asunder

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          The Americans did not care about the people Saddam killed, and they killed millions more Iraqis then he ever did, you’re a delusional racist and a war worshiping dipshit

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            It’s true, the number of times i heard “glass the middle east” as a child comprehensively destroyed for me the idea of america as a force for anything good, and of americans as an aggregate being anything but a swarm of stupid bloodthirsty assholes once they get activated.

            I have hope for the individuals, but as a collective identity? No more American, the world does not need American.

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            Apparently this bozo’s feelings

            Motherfucker is acting like all libs, like this is some marvel movie shit to them where after the US got Saddam, all the ‘good guys’ stood on top of a building in downtown Baghdad at night and said ‘We have hope now’ and then the credits rolled

            They forgot this is real life

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              Yes I’m sure the Kurds situation has been improved greatly by not having running water or electricity.
              By the way, who gave Saddam that gas?

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              The Kurds killed with chemical weapon technology supplied by the US? The killings that the US tried to frame Iran for? After which the US refused to sanction Iraq and continued to provide dual-use technology to Iraq.

              Those dead Kurds?

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          They don’t have functional infrastructure 20 years after the war and they did under Saddam. You really think the US was interested in anything besides cannibalizing the country for resources?

          edit: Oh yeah, they were interested in one other thing: handing lucrative ”rebuilding” contracts to corporations like Halliburton with direct ties to the Bush admin.

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      I’m with you. It’s not fair to make judgments based on the material reality of people’s lives. You clearly said the word dictator, which means bad guy from an exotic locale. You won the argument. What are all these commies talking about?

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      Fucking libs, man. Give them the slightest push against their preconceived notions and they immediately start slinging shit instead of relating to the arguments at hand.
      “Hey here’s some facts about how life was measurably better before we bombed the shit out of Iraq”.
      “Whatever you love Saddam”.

      You would have supported the Iraq war. You would have supported the Vietnam war. You would have supported the Kent state shootings. You would have eagerly reported local communists during the red scare.

      Please acquire some critical thinking skills you cretin