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Christian Science does not agree with the theory that morals grow out of people’s behavior. It stands firmly on the ground that morals for mankind are derived from the divine Mind, God, and that they are therefore ageless. Morally right behavior pertaining to sex was revealed by Moses.
When they do the healing can they at least start with the priests that are fucking young boys?
You know, because Moses said or whatever the fuck.
Nooo you got it all wrong priest don’t rape they inject homosexuality vaccine with their own seringe
Bitch y’all can’t heal syphilis but you think you can cure me of a loving marriage
There is nothing that cannot be cured.
When the cure comes from God, it is called miracle.
Look up Padre Pio. It hasn’t been that long since his death.If you really want to be cured, let me know.
Padre Pio was one of the biggest scammer southern Italy was ever plagued by and he did more damages to this land than any of the mafia family living there has ever done.
I’m glad he died the horrible way he did and I hope he is now rotting in a metaphorical hell where he belong.
Source: I’m an Italian who has seen the mental and social damages caused by this fucker
Where can I read about his death? All I find on Google is religious crap
He died of an heart attack at 81 years old, just like a normal man would do. No golden carriage descending from the heavens to collect his body nor no resurrection three days after his death.
A con man dying like a normal human after a life of lies and peddled “miracles” to poor, uneducated people.
Press S to spit on his grave
You are in real bondage.
I don’t expect you to love him.
Exhibiting ignorance again.LGBTQ+ has all your judgements sideways.
Press J for Jesus.
S
Until proven contrary it’s not me who has decided to submit his will and reason to the tenets of a religion which doesn’t even consider treating men and women as equals.
A little projection about the bondage bit? Or a repressed sexual arousal around ropes and chains? Only you can tell us
Everybody is not like you.
I know you were more innocent when you were little.
You are exhibiting real hate. Do penance before it is too late.
one of the biggest scammer southern Italy was ever plagued by
That’s quite the bar.
And yet he was able to surpass it. A true miracle if one believe in them
More of a miracle than the bullshit he peddled, tbf.
Absolutely agree with you here, chief
Chief (a mark of loyalty).
God doesn’t demand much.
Why don’t you repent?
Are you also an Italian?
Not that it matters, southern Italy’s reputation is very much international, but yes.
No it doesn’t matter. I have video evidence of some of his works.
A very holy person can still be in LGBTQ+ country like America (Americans bear with me).
Padre Pio was a monk. He was met by different people with different problems.
You seem skilled in character aspersion.
Southern Italy in the time of the 2nd world war might be the bar for you…
So what do you have against Padre Pio (specific accusation like he robbed Mr. A).
youre literally arguing with a flat earther, check their username and post history. you arent going to reason someone out of a position they didnt reason themselves into.
dudes just detached from reality.
I know but still sometimes I cannot let go and I have to follow for a couple of days these kind of people just to remind them they are no longer in touch with this world, hoping that this will prevent them by spreading their nonsensical reasoning in real life by giving them a good dose of preemptive shame.
A long shot, I know, but a man has to indulge in some vices from time to time ;)
Have a great holiday season my dude <3
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Lmao, your ignorance about this subject shows immediately.
Padre Pio was considered a scammer by the Catholic church itself and was also found to be a fraud when visited by the doctors sent by the pope to determine if the scars he showed to his followers were of divine origin. When analysed the doctors found that they were most likely self inflicted wounds (there’s also the testimony of a pharmacist who sold this con man some carbolic acid) and that he was putting forward a show for his followers, so much so that he was denied the right to celebrate mass for his schemes. It was John Paul the 2nd who canonized him in 2002 because he realized that if he wanted the support of the gullible people in southern Italy he would have needed to give them something in return; and so he did, by making him a saint against the better judgment of Benedict the 15th and of Pio the 11th, the popes who lived during his times and who barred him from celebrating mass.
I’d love to give you some references to educate you but unfortunately most of the material is in Italian language and your ignorance prevents you from accessing it.
Padre Pio did not invent the microscope but he was able to create a cult worshipping his image in lieu of god, a sin which should be very grave according to the Christian faith tenets
No. You are a story teller. Your source is mainly calumny.
Anybody can do that to Jesus, Francis of Assisi, Padre Pio. In fact, stigmas of Christ is not something new in the Church.
When something miraculous begins, it has to be investigated.
According to my source, people wanted him out of the way.
According to my source, there was no carbolic acid mentioned.
According to my source, doctors examined with wonders (lots of blood loss).He lived in a monastery. You don’t need a doctor to declare it was a fraud if it was really a fraud.
Perhaps the whole monastery was involved?
Pope Pius 11 had no letter against Padre Pio.
Your story is full of interpolations and holes.
And I see your trust in the ‘popes’ here.Catholics don’t worship images. (Your ignorance again).
Padre Pio lived through the 1st and 2nd world war, and he fought modernism tooth and nail.
Please give me your Italian reference (even a child could read Italian these days).
Make sure it is Catholic (that is what you claimed) (or don’t worry, I will accept any link).https://it.cathopedia.org/wiki/San_Pio_da_Pietrelcina
Is cathopedia catholic enough for you?
You are as ignorant as adamant in your ignorance so I don’t think this will make any difference for your bigoted mindset but still it’s funny to see you squirm while trying to justify your position.
I used the popes version of the story just because they should be considered the highest authority by people like you. If they did decide something that should be the law for all Catholics or are you suggesting you have more authority than the popes who lived during padre Pio’s time?
Catholics do worship images, have you ever heard of so called “holy cards”? Italy is full of it and in Pietrelcina there’s a very profitable business running around them.
When something miraculous begins, it has to be investigated.
Three lines under this statement
He lived in a monastery. You don’t need a doctor to declare it was a fraud if it was really a fraud.
You really can’t make any sense, do you?
Even though I made repetitions? Too bad.
So what was I wrong about…
You don’t believe the article you sent me.
You only believe his prohibition (not condemnation) and not the reversion of the prohibition.
Don’t forget calumny was flying… (Time to pray).Even St. Joseph of Cupertino had a similar condemnation and reversion story.
Like the link stated, he had many enemies who wanted him out of the way. He was misreported to Pius 11 probably.Even St. Bernadette, they had the Grotto barred at first.
Many people in the course of History have been laid greater allegations, but at the end, the dark cloud normally clears.
And can you show me a link also where Catholics say they worship images?
Look at the mental damage religion has done to you. You believe “your source” over empirical evidence?
How weak.
Italian references!
He cured the blind, restored the deaf, and many more.Thousands of miracles have been performed by different people in the past and yet we still have atheists.
Like I said, we are all born with a clean memory. If we read calumny, we will believe calumny.
But read about Padre Pio from a true source.
I need his sources.You guys never seem to learn. LGBTQ+ has damaged people.
I’m sure many want to get back to normal.
Those that are strong will get back to normal.
No thanks, I’m not going to sit around waiting for some “miracle” to change something I actually quite love about myself.
Food is sweet, but not every substance is to be taken (poison, your 12-year old boy).
Eyeglasses to the eye, and knives to vegetables (things have purpose).
Syphilis is rightly a disorder, so is marriage with a boiling pot (dis + order).Some people are bully, and they love that about themselves.
Your youthfulness will still fade,
You’ll grow old and will need another’s help.
You’ll die one day, and after death comes judgement.
If you love yourself, choose one suffering.
Suffering twice is: in this world and after judgement in hell.
A wise person will choose to suffer once.We have to give God thanks for everything, even if not by miracle (by practice).
You will grow old and need another’s help.
And what business is it of yours if that other is the same gender as me?
I went on to another topic.
Rebellious question.If you are speaking of chores, there is nothing wrong with chores.
You can cook with a pot. Use a pot for cooking and not for marriage.What does that even mean?
🎄 Joyful Christmas in advance.
I moved on to another topic.
It sounded like you were talking about the same thing to me. Besides, why is that relevant? Moving on to another topic doesn’t mean you don’t have to answer questions about the previous one.
Rebellious question.
Is that an insult where you come from? Because it’s a compliment around here. You’re a stranger on the internet, not my dad. Why should I look up to you?
Besides, even if you were my dad, I was raised to question my parents and make my own decisions once I was old enough to understand. We ask questions to arrive at the truth, not to more accurately ascertain the will of whoever has the most authority.
Lots of strawman.
May your decisions help you avoid hell.
I’ll take the change for judgement - getting fucked in the ass by something else then the government feels great
I am talking about Christianity.
Government is people (president, vice, ministers, senators).
They too eat and go to toilet.
You shouldn’t fear them (but you must not commit crime/killings).Drones and robots are man-made.
Just like bombs, gun etc.
If they kill people, know that man/evil government… (pressed the KILL button).Every man/government will be judged by God.
The fatal combination of unintelligent, condescending, and bigoted.
If heaven was real, you wouldn’t be going there.
The healing of homosexuality—and many such cases have been genuinely healed
Citation needed.
P. S. A list by a kindly person long ago in red place of things forbidden by the old testament ( with biblical citation!):
Eating rabbits, pigs, or camels.Leviticus 11:4 “Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.”
No shellfish, clams, oysters, urchins, or lobsters.Leviticus 11:10 “And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.”
No eating cats, dogs, and ferretsLeviticus 11:27 “And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.”
No eating snails, moles, weasels, mice, rats, bats, bugs, insects, worms, spiders, roaches, etc.Leviticus 11:28–29 “These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind, and the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.”
Don't eat fat or bloodLeviticus 3:17 “It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood"
You cannot eat certain birds.Leviticus 11:13–20 “These are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the osprey, and the vulture, and the kite after his kind; every raven after his kind; and the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, and the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, and the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.”
If you wear ripped jeans, you're going to burn.Leviticus 10:6 “Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people.”
Oh, yeah. You also can't wear mixed cloth, bitch.Leviticus 19:19 “Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.”
No short haircutsLeviticus 19:27 “Ye shall not round the corners of your heads.”
Beard requiredLeviticus 19:27 “Neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.”
That tat of a cross isn't getting you extra credit, Johnny.Leviticus 19:28 “Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.”
Don't put two seeds in the same crop, 'cause it's an abomination...for some reason.Leviticus 19:19 “Thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed.”
That mixed-breed dog you have? Yeah...that'll grant you a one way ticket to hell, too.Leviticus 19:19 “Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind.”
No grudge-holding!Leviticus 19:18 “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people.”
Touch a dirty puppy? BURN!Leviticus 5:2 “If a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.”
Wait...so less church is good?Leviticus 12:4–5 “And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.”
No alcohol in church (people probably don't do this anyw- oh wait)Leviticus 10:9 “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die.”
No manual labor on Saturdays.Leviticus 23:3 “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.”
No going to church after birth.Leviticus 12:2 “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.”
No tarrot cardsLeviticus 19:31 “Do not turn to mediums or spiritists…”
Pull out=dieGenesis 38:9-10 “Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also.”
No divorceMark 10:9 “What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”
No balls=No gawdDeuteronomy 23:1 “A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord.”
No jewelryTimothy 2:9 “Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments.”
If someone's attacking you, you can't grab your attacker's privates.Deuteronomy 25:11-25:12 “If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.”
Don't fuck your wife's momLeviticus 20:14 “'If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.”
Don't go to church if you're Asian.Leviticus 21:17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; nor his nose or eyes be flat."
Kill anyone with a different religion than ChristianityDeuteronomy 17:2-17:7
“If there is found in your midst, in any of your [a]towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, 4 and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to [b]death. 6 On the [c]evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the [d]evidence of one witness. 7 The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst." Don't say "Fuck you, mom!" Even if you're a rebellious teen.“Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.”
If you've ever cheated on someone, you're going to Hell.Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the man and the woman who have committed adultery must be put to death.”
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their community"“If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual period, both of them must be cut off from the community, for together they have exposed the source of her blood flow.”
Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyardLeviticus 19:10 “Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.”
God hates honey.Leviticus 2:11 “Do not use yeast in preparing any of the grain offerings you present to the LORD, because no yeast or honey may be burned as a special gift presented to the LORD.”
Buying a house.Leviticus 25:23 “The land must never be sold on a permanent basis, for the land belongs to me. You are only foreigners and tenant farmers working for me.”
Mistreating foreignersLeviticus 19:33-19:34 “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born”
Stand when you talk to grandpa.Leviticus 19:32 “Stand up in the presence of the elderly, and show respect for the aged. Fear your God. I am the LORD”
LyingLeviticus 19:11 "Do not steal. “Do not deceive or cheat one another.”
CheatingLeviticus 19:11 "Do not steal. “Do not deceive or cheat one another.”
Funny how so many Christians nowadays say homosexuality is an abomination, when they are committing abominations themselves when they say this.
I’m a straight supporter of the LGBT community, and I’m proud of it. Are you, too?
Bonus! The raped person must marry their own rapist!
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
I knew of some of these but this is a really good list! Saving this so I have these in my pocket when I need to point out the absurdities to someone trying to use religion against me.
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First, I’d suggest you to take some classes on writing and syntax, your posts are barely readable and understandable.
Second, the old testament is the foundation of the new one so its core tenants are still considered valid by all Christian denominations, some even recognizing it more authority in respect to the new testament.
Third, a father should be obeyed AS LONG AS he is a reasonable and caring father. An abusive or violent parent should not be obeyed just like a tyrannical or undemocratic ruler shouldn’t, expecially if they ask for something causing stress or harm to his children/subjects.
Fourth, a child would also not exist without his mother but in your Christian mindset this is never taken into account.
Barely readable because you are Italian. (Italians bear with me for a while.)
Barely understandable? What then can you understand?“Second, the old testament”: More display of ignorance.
Children too don’t like to go to school. I can understand.
- School is stressful to children. But they need to be educated to get a job (self employed or not).
- Taking bath is stressful to children (they even shout and yell).
- The ear of female children needs to be bored for ear rings (great harm).
There is one God.
Two Gods: A problem (who created the other?)
In the order of things here on earth,
We have carnal fathers and mothers.
Spiritually, we have fathers and mothers too.You speak English because is your mother tongue, I speak English because that’s the only language you can understand. We are not the same.
There’s a difference in forcing a child to go to school and forcing a child to blindly follow the tenants of a cult established by uneducated people living more than 2000 years ago. In the first case you are forcing your authority on the child to provide him with the tools needed to be accomplished in this life, as our history as a species has shown for the past two centuries, when child teaching has started to become more and more common also for the poorest classes in our societies while also our standard of living have been improving steadily. In the second one you are forcing unreasonable and, in some cases, even conflicting beliefs not based in any logic or research but in pure faith alone. What if your son does not share the same beliefs as you? Who are you to force these onto him without a single shread of evidence proving their innate validity? What if you are wrong about the afterlife and Muslims, Buddhist or any other religion are right? Are you ready to bring upon yourself and upon your child eternal damnation due to your decisions?
Lastly there is no god. Or at least there is no god as it is described by Christianity or any other major religion. God is a concept completely alien to humans, were we able to understand it we would be god’s ourselves. Since this is not the case one can only logically assume that we still haven’t find the right “god” to worship
That is the reason this present life is difficult. There are counterfeits to true things.
Be sincere with yourself and see the disorder in LGBTQ+ first, before other judgements.You don’t become what you understand.
God revealed himself to us (Moyes and others). We did not create the concept (though you’ll arrive at that by philosophy (Plato, Aristotle)).
From the beginning, Adam walked with God…
Others born were like you and I (clean memory that needs to be educated).
But at the end, the people that are God’s people will see God.Well then, wait for god to show himself to you and you alone while, at the same time, leaving everyone else free to live their lives as they see fit for themselves.
Remember what Jesus has left as only commandments: don’t judge if you don’t want to be judged and love the others as you love yourself. Of course these are two commandments which are not applicable for modern rightoids as they are well too ready to judge others and hate their neighbours if they don’t think as they would like them to but this is something they will have to discuss with their god once they’ll leave this earth. Until them we will be in their way when they’ll try to fix the their false religion and god upon us non-believers as our constitutions and legal frameworks allow us to do.
Ignorance at play again.
Judge not.
Kill not.
Swear not.You don’t just pick two words from the Bible.
We Christians enjoy and are Joyful this Christmas season.
We kill chickens, cows, sheep etc.You will be judged by God at the end.
Judge just judgement.Go away, if you don’t want to be told the truth.
And rational thinking is a cure for Christianity.
Can confirm. Was cured of this many years ago.
If God says murder is cool now, is it cool now? If yes, then your system of morals is arbitrary. If no, then God is only following a moral law, rather than creating it.
That’s what scares the fuck out of me when it comes to major religions. If the Pope one day said, “rise up and kill” and only 1% of Catholics followed his orders, the bloodbath would be vast.
Maybe Christianity can be healed with gay science?
“Reverend Bob, lay your hands on me and heal my homosexuality! Specifically, lay your hands all over my penis.”
That’s fine. Pretty sure Ricardo can cure heterosexuality.
a mythical man’s mythical morality is mythical
The Moses that raped his daughter in law?
Exactly that daughterfucker
No. Moyses married an Ethiopian.
He was raised in Egypt.I might be thinking of Noah!
The healing of religion—and many such cases have been genuinely healed—comes, like the healing of any other abnormal condition, through the application of the truths of life and man as taught in Science. These truths include rational thought, scientific theory and experimentation, rejection of groupthink, and the elevation and celebration of fellow women and men as Equals.
FTFY
Here is an archive.ph link so that we don’t give these bigots our clicks and views
Ah yes, morals come from something that exists only in your head… wait - …
