It’s absolutely ludicrous to think that a president should be immune legally for everything they do as a President.
Honestly, at that point Joe should just pull a gun and shoot him during a debate… Immunity, right?
That’s not how any of this should work. The courts better figure this shit out properly, or the nation is done for.
If Trump won, it would mean Joe Biden could declare himself president for life, since his presidential immunity would protect him from any consequences of ignoring elections.
I’d be on board with proclaiming Biden President for Life, it’s probably only a two or three years term at most
It would mean he couldn’t be punished for it. It wouldn’t mean his attempt at taking over the country would be successful. That said, we want to make it so there’s an actual punishment for that so presidents don’t just keep trying.
It’s not outlandish enough to have his attorneys sanctioned for making a frivolous argument, but only because criminal defendants are allowed to grasp at straws. It’s a deeply unserious argument with no textual or historical support and isn’t going to pass muster among even the worst judges. It’s not even going to meaningfully delay his trial. It’s just fodder for his political supporters so he can pretend that he isn’t a criminal because apparently l’etat, c’est moi.
That there is no such thing as presidential immunity.
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Footnote: one-time exception for this specific case, and doesn’t set precedent. Just like Bush v Gore.
How the hell is that allowable as a ruling? “Wouldn’t it be crazy if we made it legal - just kiddin haha - unless…”?
The Supreme Court decides what’s allowed.
It won’t work
trumps stalling and hoping he can win and then claim it as president.
I can’t answer the question directly, but this page (est 10 minutes read) puts into context how well that line of argument has been received in the courts so far: https://terikanefield.com/absoluteimmunity/
While not impossible, it would certainly up-end a fair amount of constitutional jurisprudence to accept the idea that there might be someone above the law.
Interesting read. So essentially he’s using it knowing it is a frivolous claim to allow him to circumnavigate normal courtroom proceedings?
It’s more that this claim of immunity causes a pause in the proceedings. My understanding is that there are many ways to pause different sorts of proceedings, such as insanity in a criminal trial and bankruptcy in a civil trial. In these two cases, though, once the issue has passed, the trial starts again where it was.
However, for pauses caused by claims of immunity or anti-SLAPP hearings, the result of those hearings could cause the trial to become moot, meaning the proceeding would immediately end. And that’s why there’s a pause in the first place.
In that sense, there is no circumnavigation because if immunity does apply, the trial wouldn’t matter. And if it doesn’t apply, the trial would proceed. Judicially, there is no drawback, but politically, burning down the clock may be a goal of the defense, as the primary and general elections draw closer.
It is very tempting to dismiss seemingly frivolous issues out of hand, and the judge could have done that. But presidential immunity has been a gray legal area – see Nixon presidency – such that judicial confidence isn’t fully established. In a way, the judge is saying “ok, show me what you’ve got” knowing that proof of immunity is an uphill battle, waiting for the defense to fall flat.
