Competition always is good to have! Glad to see someone finally adopting this awesome OS. It’ll be interesting to see if they implement any new features that are specific to their device.
Dual USB type C is freaking sweet to see!!! More handheld PCs need that.
I was thinking of using Bazzite. I use Arch for my work install and have been using Arch for personal use since 2015 with Windows dual boot for gaming. Bazzite/UBlue has really surprised me and if I didn’t have an Nvidia GPU I think I would’ve already migrated completely away from Windows with Bazzite. Container based OSes with immutable root are the future IMO.
I’m tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again.
I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I’ll immediately want to check it out.
Totally fair. On the updates, it’s a fedora based rolling release of sorts so you get kernel updates way earlier and steam updates just as regularly as vanilla on top, pretty sure it follows the preview branch by default. I remember back when I installed it I had the new color vibrancy slider months before 3.5 hit and the new mesa with smaller shader cache sizes and whatnot too.
If I may ask, what was your motivation to run Bazzite on your deck? I’m familiar with why you’d use it on your PC (ended up having to turn back from it on my PC, as I couldn’t figure out how to disable the upscaling the desktop had), or maybe a HTPC, but I haven’t seen anyone mention why they install it on their deck so I am a bit interested now after seeing multiple people mention it.
Honestly, the short answer is because I think it’s cool and because I can haha.
The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head:
I like the idea of having a fedora based OS that’s stable but still as close to bleeding edge as it gets when it comes to the kernel, mesa and whatnot while retaining the steam niceties and getting easy rollbacks on top
Easier to customize, I have my own fork with a couple of tweaks on top of mainline Bazzite
Trying out new desktop environments comes as easy as rebasing to another image
Btrfs with compression and deduplication on by default does wonders for space savings on proton prefixes
It optionally installs Nix and it’s my preferred package manager (and OS!)
For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I’m not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it.
With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they’re pretty niche at the end of the day, I’m just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I’m considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it.
Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there’s a /nix folder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn’t mean I can’t use it as a package manager!
Ah, it seems they’ve added Nix on 3.5, that’s quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will!
My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn’t been too great either so I hear you there. I don’t use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing.
If you want to switch I really recommend looking up what apps you need and if there’s a cross-platform alternative try using it before switching OS. It makes it so much easier if you’re used to the applications.
I made the switch around a year ago and only have a handful of games that don’t work.
I’ve played with Linux for the last 15-20 years, so I knew what I was getting into, but also things are in a way better state now than they used to be.
I took a class regarding Linux administration, and I’ve dabbled here and there, but most importantly, I spun up a VM to practice the initial installation process.
The wiki is super helpful, but it’s a bit spaghettified at times. 😅
Though now I’m wondering if I might prefer NixOS. I have Bazzite on a laptop and my Deck, and I like its atomic behavior a lot, but Nix is kind of a unique take on atomic distros.
But I do see your point and there is another point of this being a cheaper alternative. Either way, I’m just glad to see more choices for SteamOS than one handheld, no matter how solid of a device it is.
That’s partially true, but Valve’s long term goal with SteamOS is to break their reliance on windows.
Windows previously had plans to require all new software to be installed through their Windows store, which would have destroyed Steam. Thankfully Windows backed off from this plan, but they are instead pushing windows S mode for new computers. If you buy a budget PC it will probably come locked down where it can only install Windows apps. This can be disabled, but requires you to have administrative privileges on the computer (which many kids/etc won’t have). It also requires you to log into the windows store with a Microsoft account to disable it, so they require you to take all the steps to install windows store content before you can choose to not use their store.
It’s not going to happen overnight, but I suspect the long term windows plan is to force more people (especially kids) into getting software and games through the Microsoft store. People like to buy games from the same place, so if you get kids started building their PC gaming library in the Windows store they’ll be more likely to stick with it even once they have other options.
So companies selling windows handhelds will still help valve out short term, but their long term goal (and the reason they invest so much into Linux) is to no longer be dependent on Microsoft windows to sell games. It’s also why they’re pushing for Steam on Chromebooks, to both get young users invested in steam and as another windows alternative.
Yes and I’m sure they’ll add a 30% tax for the privilege of installing software from their repository. Fucking shmucks just been letting people install whatever software they want for decades when they could have been exploiting them for money.
Competition always is good to have! Glad to see someone finally adopting this awesome OS. It’ll be interesting to see if they implement any new features that are specific to their device.
Dual USB type C is freaking sweet to see!!! More handheld PCs need that.
Honestly if it runs steamOS, I don’t even think it could be considered competition. They’re on the same team.
Because of how good Proton has become, I’m considering dropping Windows and switching to Arch for gaming at my next upgrade.
Two players developing improvements to Steam OS and Proton can only make things better.
I was thinking of using Bazzite. I use Arch for my work install and have been using Arch for personal use since 2015 with Windows dual boot for gaming. Bazzite/UBlue has really surprised me and if I didn’t have an Nvidia GPU I think I would’ve already migrated completely away from Windows with Bazzite. Container based OSes with immutable root are the future IMO.
Bazzite is great, I’ve used it for a good while and it’s never let me down. Have it on my deck right now, in fact!
I’m tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again.
I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I’ll immediately want to check it out.
Totally fair. On the updates, it’s a fedora based rolling release of sorts so you get kernel updates way earlier and steam updates just as regularly as vanilla on top, pretty sure it follows the preview branch by default. I remember back when I installed it I had the new color vibrancy slider months before 3.5 hit and the new mesa with smaller shader cache sizes and whatnot too.
Oo, this is the first I’ve heard of Bazzite. I’ll have to go check it out!
Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I’m no expert but would love to lend a hand!
If I may ask, what was your motivation to run Bazzite on your deck? I’m familiar with why you’d use it on your PC (ended up having to turn back from it on my PC, as I couldn’t figure out how to disable the upscaling the desktop had), or maybe a HTPC, but I haven’t seen anyone mention why they install it on their deck so I am a bit interested now after seeing multiple people mention it.
Honestly, the short answer is because I think it’s cool and because I can haha.
The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head:
For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I’m not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it.
With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they’re pretty niche at the end of the day, I’m just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I’m considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it.
Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there’s a
/nixfolder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn’t mean I can’t use it as a package manager!Ah, it seems they’ve added Nix on 3.5, that’s quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will!
My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn’t been too great either so I hear you there. I don’t use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing.
If you want to switch I really recommend looking up what apps you need and if there’s a cross-platform alternative try using it before switching OS. It makes it so much easier if you’re used to the applications.
I made the switch around a year ago and only have a handful of games that don’t work.
I’ve played with Linux for the last 15-20 years, so I knew what I was getting into, but also things are in a way better state now than they used to be.
Good call :3
Not a PC gamer myself but if you’re new to Linux arch is prolly a bad idea
I took a class regarding Linux administration, and I’ve dabbled here and there, but most importantly, I spun up a VM to practice the initial installation process.
The wiki is super helpful, but it’s a bit spaghettified at times. 😅
Though now I’m wondering if I might prefer NixOS. I have Bazzite on a laptop and my Deck, and I like its atomic behavior a lot, but Nix is kind of a unique take on atomic distros.
Cool :3
Competition between devices, is what I mean.
But I do see your point and there is another point of this being a cheaper alternative. Either way, I’m just glad to see more choices for SteamOS than one handheld, no matter how solid of a device it is.
None of the other handhelds were competition either. Ultimately they’ll all be used to sell games on Steam.
That’s partially true, but Valve’s long term goal with SteamOS is to break their reliance on windows.
Windows previously had plans to require all new software to be installed through their Windows store, which would have destroyed Steam. Thankfully Windows backed off from this plan, but they are instead pushing windows S mode for new computers. If you buy a budget PC it will probably come locked down where it can only install Windows apps. This can be disabled, but requires you to have administrative privileges on the computer (which many kids/etc won’t have). It also requires you to log into the windows store with a Microsoft account to disable it, so they require you to take all the steps to install windows store content before you can choose to not use their store.
It’s not going to happen overnight, but I suspect the long term windows plan is to force more people (especially kids) into getting software and games through the Microsoft store. People like to buy games from the same place, so if you get kids started building their PC gaming library in the Windows store they’ll be more likely to stick with it even once they have other options.
So companies selling windows handhelds will still help valve out short term, but their long term goal (and the reason they invest so much into Linux) is to no longer be dependent on Microsoft windows to sell games. It’s also why they’re pushing for Steam on Chromebooks, to both get young users invested in steam and as another windows alternative.
Yes and I’m sure they’ll add a 30% tax for the privilege of installing software from their repository. Fucking shmucks just been letting people install whatever software they want for decades when they could have been exploiting them for money.