The problem is culture changed. How far people were willing to push it 10xed and 100xed. I’ve been on free speech forums like Voat, then Ruqqus. But people are just too nasty to behave, and then not enough “normies” come to drown them out. You’re left with a hate fueled, self censoring circlejerk.
(Same applies to allowing full shitpost ability on larger sites, just in smaller corners)
In the “wild west” days there was a certain “terrorists handbook” circulating with detailed instructions on how to make all sorts of things.
I’m very happy that sort of thing isn’t easily available to everyone anymore.
Trolling then and “trolling” now are just not the same. The meaning behind the word has evolved to mean something malicious. Trolling back then meant more like a practical joke. Like telling a noob alt+f4 will give them buffs in a game.
But you’re trying to compare a time where the internet had few million of users rather than a few billion ones.
Oh, and people got banned ALL THE TIME before too. I don’t know if you remember mud’s or IIRC. But I do. Banning annoying people was very common. Certainly ain’t nothing new. Behave or gtfo.
I remember when I first ran into this. It was on a BBS. It felt like forbidden knowledge. It felt like this was a big secret.
But now that I’m not an edgy teenager anymore, I realize it’s just a library book. The trouble with getting older, is you learn how to organize the world so it feels smaller
I can’t exactly say I’ve seen it in my local library. I remember this being circulated and just really hoped that the idiots in my class wouldn’t blow their hands off.
I’ll join you on that one. I was really hoping Lemmy wouldn’t be another Reddit, but it’s already most of the way there. I’ll admit I don’t mind nazis getting banned, but not at the cost of any semblance of free speech; a lot of innocent stuff gets the hammer these days purely because the admins/mods of whatever the content is on are having a bad day.
I wanna go back to the wild west days of the internet where no one ever got banned for trolling or shitposting.
The censorship gestapo has started to ban shitposters from shitposting subs here on lemmy. That’s how oversensitive everyone is now
The problem is culture changed. How far people were willing to push it 10xed and 100xed. I’ve been on free speech forums like Voat, then Ruqqus. But people are just too nasty to behave, and then not enough “normies” come to drown them out. You’re left with a hate fueled, self censoring circlejerk.
(Same applies to allowing full shitpost ability on larger sites, just in smaller corners)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
Sounds like someone wants to openly use bigoted language without repercussions on privately-owned social media platforms.
Right?
Censor a bigot one day, censor someone with something important to say the next day
The repercussions come from the choices of those who hear/see th.e bigotry.
Let them shout and announce themselves so they can be known.
In the “wild west” days there was a certain “terrorists handbook” circulating with detailed instructions on how to make all sorts of things.
I’m very happy that sort of thing isn’t easily available to everyone anymore.
Trolling then and “trolling” now are just not the same. The meaning behind the word has evolved to mean something malicious. Trolling back then meant more like a practical joke. Like telling a noob alt+f4 will give them buffs in a game.
But you’re trying to compare a time where the internet had few million of users rather than a few billion ones.
Oh, and people got banned ALL THE TIME before too. I don’t know if you remember mud’s or IIRC. But I do. Banning annoying people was very common. Certainly ain’t nothing new. Behave or gtfo.
That information is exactly as easy to get as it was then. It’s always taken just a bit of curiosity and a touch of internet know-how
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You can still readily do the old school trolling without repercussions as well. So I don’t get the nostalgia either.
https://archive.org/details/the-anarchist-cookbook-william-powell
The internet still has the data, it’s just more organized now.
Been a very long time since I’ve seen this in digital form. I really thought it would be more difficult to find this these days.
Thought I didn’t really look for it either I suppose.
I remember when I first ran into this. It was on a BBS. It felt like forbidden knowledge. It felt like this was a big secret.
But now that I’m not an edgy teenager anymore, I realize it’s just a library book. The trouble with getting older, is you learn how to organize the world so it feels smaller
I can’t exactly say I’ve seen it in my local library. I remember this being circulated and just really hoped that the idiots in my class wouldn’t blow their hands off.
You’re still allowed to call them names like ‘shitposter’?
I’ll join you on that one. I was really hoping Lemmy wouldn’t be another Reddit, but it’s already most of the way there. I’ll admit I don’t mind nazis getting banned, but not at the cost of any semblance of free speech; a lot of innocent stuff gets the hammer these days purely because the admins/mods of whatever the content is on are having a bad day.
I’m about to back to mirc and see if there’s anything left there.
a/s/l?
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