Did you really learn absolutely nothing from that thread? I figured there was a solid chance you’d change your perspective at the minimum, but you just double down further and further.
Why are you so hung up on this? I didn’t come here to debate you. But fine I’ll take you seriously one more time. But I’m pretty sure all you’re gonna do is dismiss everything I say as myths (or just ignore it alltogether), and then pretend you gave convincing arguments because you mentioned whole process democracy, and call me a liberal. Feel free to prove me wrong. Here we go:
There is ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang in which China has piggy-backed on the US “war on terror” as an excuse to repress muslim populations. This is officially called “Strike Hard Campaign against Violent Terrorism”. Do I really need to say more?
Taiwan has its own democracy and wants to be independent, yet China claims it as its own.
Yes there’s asterisks and details and questionable involvement from the West in all of this, but these aren’t “myths”.
Sinologists from various countries have stated that they or their colleagues have been barred from entry or held by authorities for weeks because of what they’ve said about China. For example I just heard Weigelin-Schwiedrzik say this on a marxist podcast.
The only reason I replied was to give context to this comment:
I’ve been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn’t worth simping for.
That’s not what happened, I showed what actually happened. The homophobic comment was well-warented as well, claiming users are “sucking XYZ person off” is an insult historically directed at men on the basis of homosexual actions being “shameful” or “gross,” reinforcing that image of homosexuality. As a pansexual man, that certainly doesn’t feel good to see. You crafted an enemy to fight, and when people pointed out that the enemy you created in your head doesn’t actually exist, you projected that strawman onto others. Here’s an example:
If China is a socialist state worth supporting then I’m a donkey with a laser dick :P But I’m more anarchistically inclined so different perspective. I see your point though. What I’m saying is not that communist = tankie, on the contrary. I’m saying that tankies claim to be communists but spend all day parroting their favorite Russian or Chinese state propaganda because they believe everything else is clearly controlled by Obamna™ himself. They rarely actually talk about communism, they just roam Lemmy all day calling everybody who disagrees with them a liberal :D
Despite multiple people providing nuanced responses with western sources backing them up, and only a few people calling you a liberal, you started calling others “tankies.” Even now, I never once called you a liberal, you had to lie about that to provide a “buffer” for yourself.
What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.
Many of the people disagreeing with you and calling you a liberal were Anarchists, actually. Anarchism isn’t a vibe, or a purity test, Anarchism must side with reality. Simply saying “every government bad, and the more people, the more bad it is” would only be applicable if there was already a mass Anarchist movement that served as a genuine alternative. In the absence of such a movement, you have to work with what’s there and build up alternatives in the meantime.
I’m not interested in “debating you.” I just saw you misrepresenting Marxists and Anarchists who disagreed with you as “tankies” who “simp” for the PRC despite giving well-sourced and nuanced responses. Not everyone was respectful, but numerous people were, and when people like @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml gave you careful and thoughtful responses to questions you yourself asked,, you ignored the majority of the comments because “you were busy,” rather than simply not responding. You couln’t even do the bare minimum of respect for all that effort, but you had to get in a quick jab in response.
All I’m saying is that you need to do some self-crit. What was your goal? To convert people to see things your way? That backfired spectacularly. Was it to learn more yourself? You evidently admitted to not reading the longer, higher effort comments, so that’s a wash too. If anything, it just seems like you wanted to argue and call people tankies. I don’t think your accusation that “tankies” call everyone else a “lib” is a coincidence given your tendency to call people who disagree with “tankie,” it’s projection.
Won’t somebody think of the poor nation state empire? :(
See, you’re doing it again. No matter how many times people explain that the PRC isn’t an empire, you double down with bulletproof logic like “the more populous the country, the more evil it is.” You hide behind the phrase “tankies exist,” then build up a strawman of a tankie, then start calling others that don’t fit that strawman a tankie anyways when they debunk one of your myths.
Did you really learn absolutely nothing from that thread? I figured there was a solid chance you’d change your perspective at the minimum, but you just double down further and further.
Why are you so hung up on this? I didn’t come here to debate you. But fine I’ll take you seriously one more time. But I’m pretty sure all you’re gonna do is dismiss everything I say as myths (or just ignore it alltogether), and then pretend you gave convincing arguments because you mentioned whole process democracy, and call me a liberal. Feel free to prove me wrong. Here we go:
There is ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang in which China has piggy-backed on the US “war on terror” as an excuse to repress muslim populations. This is officially called “Strike Hard Campaign against Violent Terrorism”. Do I really need to say more?
Taiwan has its own democracy and wants to be independent, yet China claims it as its own.
Yes there’s asterisks and details and questionable involvement from the West in all of this, but these aren’t “myths”.
Sinologists from various countries have stated that they or their colleagues have been barred from entry or held by authorities for weeks because of what they’ve said about China. For example I just heard Weigelin-Schwiedrzik say this on a marxist podcast.
The only reason I replied was to give context to this comment:
That’s not what happened, I showed what actually happened. The homophobic comment was well-warented as well, claiming users are “sucking XYZ person off” is an insult historically directed at men on the basis of homosexual actions being “shameful” or “gross,” reinforcing that image of homosexuality. As a pansexual man, that certainly doesn’t feel good to see. You crafted an enemy to fight, and when people pointed out that the enemy you created in your head doesn’t actually exist, you projected that strawman onto others. Here’s an example:
Despite multiple people providing nuanced responses with western sources backing them up, and only a few people calling you a liberal, you started calling others “tankies.” Even now, I never once called you a liberal, you had to lie about that to provide a “buffer” for yourself.
Many of the people disagreeing with you and calling you a liberal were Anarchists, actually. Anarchism isn’t a vibe, or a purity test, Anarchism must side with reality. Simply saying “every government bad, and the more people, the more bad it is” would only be applicable if there was already a mass Anarchist movement that served as a genuine alternative. In the absence of such a movement, you have to work with what’s there and build up alternatives in the meantime.
I’m not interested in “debating you.” I just saw you misrepresenting Marxists and Anarchists who disagreed with you as “tankies” who “simp” for the PRC despite giving well-sourced and nuanced responses. Not everyone was respectful, but numerous people were, and when people like @TheOubliette@lemmy.ml gave you careful and thoughtful responses to questions you yourself asked,, you ignored the majority of the comments because “you were busy,” rather than simply not responding. You couln’t even do the bare minimum of respect for all that effort, but you had to get in a quick jab in response.
All I’m saying is that you need to do some self-crit. What was your goal? To convert people to see things your way? That backfired spectacularly. Was it to learn more yourself? You evidently admitted to not reading the longer, higher effort comments, so that’s a wash too. If anything, it just seems like you wanted to argue and call people tankies. I don’t think your accusation that “tankies” call everyone else a “lib” is a coincidence given your tendency to call people who disagree with “tankie,” it’s projection.