Have you ever heard the phrase “penny wise and pound foolish”? Avoiding vaccines is the opposite of being careful.
You said below it’s up to each person to decide and that’s true in the sense that people can decide what to put in their bodies, but the relative risk of taking a vaccine vs not is simply a fact. You can have your own opinions but you can’t have your own facts.
It’s stupid because they don’t understand probability and risk assessment. Yeah there are side effects but they are exceedingly rare and even if you get them the outcomes are usually far less severe than the disease you’re trying to prevent. It’s like saying “I refuse to wear a seat belt because it might wrinkle my suit jacket.”
The issue is most of these anti-vax dumbfucks have never lived, seen, or been around infectious disease killing or disabling people. It’s all theoretical to them and wild stories. They have no personal experience with the disease.
Vaccines had sufficient public buy-in when they were introduced because a large portion of society knew or were related to someone that had suffered the consequences.
Let’s put it into some perspective. The Spanish flu pandemic is estimated to have killed between 25-50 million people. The population of the globe at that time is estimated to be around 2 billion. That’s 1.25-2.5% of the globe died. 1 person out of 40-80 died. Everyone knew somebody or was related to somebody that died of the flu.
So even though there has always been dumbfucks who refused vaccination, the majority of the population complied.
I don’t know anyone personally that died of covid. Currently estimates show 14.8 million excess deaths since 2020. This is likely the number of people who died of covid. Out of 8 billion. Or 1 out of 540 people died, mostly in countries with below average medical care.
Yes people can die in a flight crash, but it’s more likely to die in a car crash so choosing the car over a plane is just dumb when it comes to risk manegement.
Yes almost all people who didn’t vaccinate against covid are still alive, but the percentage of people who took it is even higher.
When i jump out of a plane with a parachute i might die, it’s a risk either way so why should i bother to open it?
So you’ve never been truly sick is all that means. Just means you’ll die when you have a truly dangerous sickness and don’t take any precautions for it.
Sure. I haven’t been truly sick. I would probably take anything if the decease was painful enough. But that’s not what we are talking about here with vaccines, specially vaccines against the flu or something that isnt dangerous to most people to get.
Pretty sure most people think of Covid, the thing a lot of people did die to, or Polio, the returning sickness that we literally had a president who couldn’t walk because of.
Fun part being we’re having life-debilitating diseases (again, polio) come back from the results of the anti-vax rhetoric.
Imagine this:
You get covid because you weren’t vaccinated, but you recover with no lasting side effects. While you had it though, you unknowingly transmitted it to someone who was immunocompromised and couldn’t get vaccinated or just elderly and more vulnerable, that person dies. Did you make the right choice to not get vaccinated? Had you been vaccinated there’s a good chance you never would have had covid and gotten that person sick. That’s the risk you’re taking
All that research and none of it towards how much the vaccine wouldn’t have affected you huh? Well just don’t pass it off to the next generation you POS.
Yeah covid was worth vaccinating against if you were above 50 or had other deceases since before, or were overweight and so on.
It was also worth vaccinating against if you were none of these things to ensure that people who couldn’t take the vaccine would benefit from herd immunity.
It’s only being careful if you’re immunocompromised in some way that would make the vaccine actually dangerous, which is even rarer than side effects being more than soreness.
COVID isn’t a well known virus. The fact that it destroys the nerves between your nose and tongue and your brain is a HUGE red flag that should be terrifying to everyone. Nerves are very similar throughout the body, and we don’t know the full extent of damage caused by it yet. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which may or may not be the same thing as long COVID considering it is generally caused by various viral infections, is incredibly not well known, but affects far less people supposedly. Maybe the fact that 25% estimated last I checked of people get at a minimum mild long COVID symptoms, and 10% of those never really recover, with most people reporting lowered energy levels permanently (not like enough to be a disability for most) will help drive more research, as there’s a lot of cases of COVID permanently screwing over perfectly healthy people.
I mention here one of the least devastating aspects of ME/CFS and similarly long COVID which share a lot of symptoms. There are people who cannot stand up without assistance because of them. People have lost jobs due to them. And in America, not having a job means not having decent healthcare or any sort of benefits.
Being careful means getting the damn vaccine if you can, when you can, as soon as your doctor tells you that you are healthy enough to do so, every single time. If not for you, then for anyone you care about. Care about human life, get the vaccine.
I’m immunocompromised and get my boosters the moment my doctor’s office tells me I’m due. Fuck ending up in the hospital for a long time again, especially since this time I can do something about it.
They can sell me a single shot against tetanus, pertussis and diphtheria for about 50 bucks.
OR, I can get tetanus, a disease that quotes 3 or 4 weeks of muscle relaxants, painkillers, and a shitload of immunoglobulin costing thousands. That’s followed by possibly months of therapy.
Treating unvaccinated tetanus costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Getting a vaccine is 50 bucks.
They don’t trust that medical companies have their best interests at heart, and are motivated by profits. Making people sick is profit.
It really isn’t so strange.
And if you google on vaccine side effects, you will find a lot of them. They are rare, but they happen, and when they do, there is no help to be had.
So why is it stupid to be careful? I think it makes sense.
Have you ever heard the phrase “penny wise and pound foolish”? Avoiding vaccines is the opposite of being careful.
You said below it’s up to each person to decide and that’s true in the sense that people can decide what to put in their bodies, but the relative risk of taking a vaccine vs not is simply a fact. You can have your own opinions but you can’t have your own facts.
It’s stupid because they don’t understand probability and risk assessment. Yeah there are side effects but they are exceedingly rare and even if you get them the outcomes are usually far less severe than the disease you’re trying to prevent. It’s like saying “I refuse to wear a seat belt because it might wrinkle my suit jacket.”
I think that’s up to each person to decide. Similar to how it’s rare to die in a flight crash and most people accept the risk, but not all.
Whats so complicated about probability? They know it’s a low probably, but it’s higher than zero, always.
Almost all people who didn’t vaccinate against covid are still alive and well you know.
People take a risk either way. Taking the vaccine or not taking it.
Ah, so we’re just ignoring the 7 million deaths from covid then. (Source: the World Health Organization (WHO)
Covid killed more people than the fucking holocaust, so far, it isn’t even finished yet. I don’t understand how people don’t realize this.
The issue is most of these anti-vax dumbfucks have never lived, seen, or been around infectious disease killing or disabling people. It’s all theoretical to them and wild stories. They have no personal experience with the disease.
Vaccines had sufficient public buy-in when they were introduced because a large portion of society knew or were related to someone that had suffered the consequences.
Let’s put it into some perspective. The Spanish flu pandemic is estimated to have killed between 25-50 million people. The population of the globe at that time is estimated to be around 2 billion. That’s 1.25-2.5% of the globe died. 1 person out of 40-80 died. Everyone knew somebody or was related to somebody that died of the flu.
So even though there has always been dumbfucks who refused vaccination, the majority of the population complied.
I don’t know anyone personally that died of covid. Currently estimates show 14.8 million excess deaths since 2020. This is likely the number of people who died of covid. Out of 8 billion. Or 1 out of 540 people died, mostly in countries with below average medical care.
So many Herman Cain awards were given to people that figured vaccination was the problem.
It’s a contagious disease, you won’t put other people in danger by not going on planes.
What is so fucking difficult to grasp that plague rats aren’t good for society.
Yes people can die in a flight crash, but it’s more likely to die in a car crash so choosing the car over a plane is just dumb when it comes to risk manegement.
Yes almost all people who didn’t vaccinate against covid are still alive, but the percentage of people who took it is even higher.
When i jump out of a plane with a parachute i might die, it’s a risk either way so why should i bother to open it?
I think it’s about having control over the risk too.
If you take a plane, you are not in control. When driving a car, you are. I think the latter makes a lot of people feel more comfortable.
Anyway, all these analogies are not really fitting. I think when it comes to covid, it’s each person’s decision what to do. Makes sense to me. :)
Yeah you’re totally in control when a truck driver falls asleep and crashes frontal into you.
Just like you’re totally in control when the person next to you in the train doesn’t wear a mask and spreads the virus towards you
Probably that it is at the end of the day still chance, and once it happens it happens.
Pretty sure that’s wrong.
You’re also taking a risk to take the disease head-on or not. Side effect of Covid include
-Excessively high fever
-Weakness
-Potential risk of Long Covid
-Fucking death
Look, I can see where you’re coming from even if I don’t agree with you, however
This is a straight up lie. Where the fuck have you been the last 4 years? Many people died, and many of those who didn’t have lasting issues.
A lot of medicines have side effect. And a lot of side effects. But you still take them because The thing you’re taking them for fucking sucks
There’s being careful and there’s forgetting the whole point of it all: to not get a life-debilitating sickness. Which a lot of vaccines eliminate.
The point of listing side effects on medicine is so the person can make a decision if it’s worth the risk.
I personally got some pain pills once and after reading the side effects list, I didn’t take them.
So you’ve never been truly sick is all that means. Just means you’ll die when you have a truly dangerous sickness and don’t take any precautions for it.
Sure. I haven’t been truly sick. I would probably take anything if the decease was painful enough. But that’s not what we are talking about here with vaccines, specially vaccines against the flu or something that isnt dangerous to most people to get.
Pretty sure most people think of Covid, the thing a lot of people did die to, or Polio, the returning sickness that we literally had a president who couldn’t walk because of.
Fun part being we’re having life-debilitating diseases (again, polio) come back from the results of the anti-vax rhetoric.
Yeah covid was worth vaccinating against if you were above 50 or had other deceases since before, or were overweight and so on.
There was a lot of interesting info in the statistics over deaths. I went over it a lot during covid.
Basically just followed the numbers and made decisions based on that.
Imagine this: You get covid because you weren’t vaccinated, but you recover with no lasting side effects. While you had it though, you unknowingly transmitted it to someone who was immunocompromised and couldn’t get vaccinated or just elderly and more vulnerable, that person dies. Did you make the right choice to not get vaccinated? Had you been vaccinated there’s a good chance you never would have had covid and gotten that person sick. That’s the risk you’re taking
All that research and none of it towards how much the vaccine wouldn’t have affected you huh? Well just don’t pass it off to the next generation you POS.
It was also worth vaccinating against if you were none of these things to ensure that people who couldn’t take the vaccine would benefit from herd immunity.
It’s only being careful if you’re immunocompromised in some way that would make the vaccine actually dangerous, which is even rarer than side effects being more than soreness.
COVID isn’t a well known virus. The fact that it destroys the nerves between your nose and tongue and your brain is a HUGE red flag that should be terrifying to everyone. Nerves are very similar throughout the body, and we don’t know the full extent of damage caused by it yet. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which may or may not be the same thing as long COVID considering it is generally caused by various viral infections, is incredibly not well known, but affects far less people supposedly. Maybe the fact that 25% estimated last I checked of people get at a minimum mild long COVID symptoms, and 10% of those never really recover, with most people reporting lowered energy levels permanently (not like enough to be a disability for most) will help drive more research, as there’s a lot of cases of COVID permanently screwing over perfectly healthy people.
I mention here one of the least devastating aspects of ME/CFS and similarly long COVID which share a lot of symptoms. There are people who cannot stand up without assistance because of them. People have lost jobs due to them. And in America, not having a job means not having decent healthcare or any sort of benefits.
Being careful means getting the damn vaccine if you can, when you can, as soon as your doctor tells you that you are healthy enough to do so, every single time. If not for you, then for anyone you care about. Care about human life, get the vaccine.
I’m immunocompromised and get my boosters the moment my doctor’s office tells me I’m due. Fuck ending up in the hospital for a long time again, especially since this time I can do something about it.
Then why the fuck do vaccines exist?
They can sell me a single shot against tetanus, pertussis and diphtheria for about 50 bucks.
OR, I can get tetanus, a disease that quotes 3 or 4 weeks of muscle relaxants, painkillers, and a shitload of immunoglobulin costing thousands. That’s followed by possibly months of therapy.
Treating unvaccinated tetanus costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Getting a vaccine is 50 bucks.
Nobody here benefits, except for me, of course.